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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Schlandi » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:20 am

VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
arsenalpan wrote:These 2 cases are totally different. Theo or OX? I don't mind. Either one could do a wonderful job. Rambo or Jack? Neither would work.


Neither would work?

So how is it Ramsey was our best player last season?


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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Luzh 22 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:02 am

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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby starmandb » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:57 pm

jmiles10 wrote:Ramsey has been dog playing with wilshere, in games without wilshere he immideatley improves wilshere just completely fucks the balance of the team for some reason. Even when he plays well like benfica at home its like the team still struggles but he misses gala at home and we thrash a team. Its weird maybe he just tries to be the main man and tries to hard at times. Which I think could be an issue

Was in my old season ticket on Wednesday and the lady 2 doors along is back to her rabid criticising everything ramsey does wrong whilst sitting with her arms folded when he does something well
She seems to have a new cohort who believes that slagging off all players is the way forward
Very strange
Ramsey has had a dip and maybe wenger needs to be tougher and take him out the team if he ain't performing
That's his job
Ours is to support the team
Ramsey has been in the side when
14/15 villa (a) w 3-0
Burnley (h) came on 0-0 w 3-0
13/14
Fenerbahce(a) goal w 3-0
Norwich (h) w 4-1 scored set up ozi
Cardiff (a) w 3-0 scored set up both podolski goals
Hull (a) w 3-0 scored twice
12/13
Newcastle (h) came on 4-3 won 7-3
West ham(h)w 5-1
Reading (h) w 4-1
Wigan(h) w 4-1 scored
11/12
Bolton (h) w 3-0 set up van Persie
Wigan(a) w 4-0
Wolves(a). W 3-0
09/10
Wolves (a) w 4-1
Portsmouth (a) w 4-1 set up nasri scored
08/09
League cup
Sheffield utd (h) 6-0 set up bendtner and vela
Wigan(h) 3-0
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby starmandb » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:08 pm

CynicalGooner wrote:f**k me there's a lot of horse shit in this thread. Yeah AOC doesn't have brilliant end product yet. Yet. Theo didn't have any end product at all until what, 18 months ago? Even now he's extremely patchy. Influence? If Theo doesn't score or directly assist he does nothing. At all. He makes no positive contribution to our general play whatsoever and in fact fucks up many of our attacks with his general shit play. AOC is always involved in the build up, always trying things, always committing defenders. He makes things happen. After Sanchez he has been by far our most influential player, whether he's scoring goals or not.

And Wilshere is definitely a better play than Ramsey technically. Better passer, better dribbler. But the game is about other things too, Ramsey has the edge in running power and is slightly better defensively (in truth neither are very good)

Walcott 53 goals and 51 assists prior to 18 months ago
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:15 pm

starmandb wrote:
Walcott 53 goals and 51 assists prior to 18 months ago


That's poor considering he's been here since 2006.

Look at his season by season goal tallies and you'll see for yourself.
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby starmandb » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:19 pm

Angelito wrote:
Mesüt wrote:Ox will never score 20+ goals in a season.


How many times has Walcott done that? Once?

And Ox isn't a goal scorer. He's more of a goal creator, which I admit - he doesn't do much. But he's just getting to start regularly. Sure, he's not at Theo's level right now and that's not a criticism at all, but he has a higher potential than Theo.

The worrying part for me about Theo are his injuries. He's not been a significant part of the team for 1.5 seasons now.

In the last 18 months theo has
Set up 2 of the goals at fenerbahce
Put us in front in marseille
Set up girouds goal v spurs
Set up ozil goal v Everton
Scored twice at west ham
Set up giroud at Newcastle
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Zedie » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:10 pm

VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Walcott 53 goals and 51 assists prior to 18 months ago


That's poor considering he's been here since 2006.

Look at his season by season goal tallies and you'll see for yourself.


You are neglecting the time since 2006 where he was actually eligible to play, plus also ignoring that he was 17 when he joined us.

perspective.
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby starmandb » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:11 pm

VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Walcott 53 goals and 51 assists prior to 18 months ago


That's poor considering he's been here since 2006.

Look at his season by season goal tallies and you'll see for yourself.

The gentleman said he had no end product at all that's no end product is it?
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby starmandb » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:22 pm

Zedie wrote:
VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
starmandb wrote:
Walcott 53 goals and 51 assists prior to 18 months ago


That's poor considering he's been here since 2006.

Look at his season by season goal tallies and you'll see for yourself.


You are neglecting the time since 2006 where he was actually eligible to play, plus also ignoring that he was 17 when he joined us.

perspective.

Yes he has missed 625 days and 113 matches thru injury
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Sims » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:24 pm

Walcott hate has always dumbfounded me to be honest. He's a great player, he really is.
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby gooney » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:28 pm

Sims wrote:Walcott hate has always dumbfounded me to be honest. He's a great player, he really is.

He is not and never will be a great player. he is a player with an unbelievable physical gift and has been smart enough to learn how to use that pace with timing of his running. If a great player has that kind of pace, he would do far more damage than what walcott does
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Sims » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:30 pm

gooney wrote:
Sims wrote:Walcott hate has always dumbfounded me to be honest. He's a great player, he really is.

He is not and never will be a great player. he is a player with an unbelievable physical gift and has been smart enough to learn how to use that pace with timing of his running. If a great player has that kind of pace, he would do far more damage than what walcott does


I don't think anyone expects him to be Ronaldo-esque, but he's probably one of the deadliest forwards in football when it comes to pure threat on the pitch. His runs are World Class and his finishing has improved so much. The season where he got 20+ was outstanding and when he played last year I thought he was different gear.
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Cripps » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:34 pm

Only problem theo has is injuries.

Keep him fit and he's world class.
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:51 pm

starmandb wrote:The gentleman said he had no end product at all that's no end product is it?


Obviously he didn't mean it literally, it's called hyperbole.
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Re: Chamberlain vs Walcott and Ramsey vs Wilshere

Postby starmandb » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:55 pm

VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
starmandb wrote:The gentleman said he had no end product at all that's no end product is it?


Obviously he didn't mean it literally, it's called hyperbole.

I don't recognise figure of speech when it comes to arsenal
I leave lazy bollocks like that for 2 bob journalists
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