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Postby KG3 » Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:26 am

Rayyo wrote:wonder if wolves selling jota means they'll come back in for AMN with an improved offer now that they have more cash.


Doesn’t matter he’s not going anywhere, Arteta highly rates him and with Kola possibly leaving we’ll need AMN even more.

The only way we should even consider selling AMN is for 40M+, young, HG, England international and versatile. It’s a fair price considering what Liverpool get for their English youngsters who’ve proven nothing.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby themessiah » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:42 pm

AMN has been a very good wing back. Top recovery speed and ability to help defend the counters. Credit!!

Glad he let go of his midfield dreams
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Santi » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:50 pm

Similar to Emi, if we get any bid around or over 25m we should take it.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:59 pm

Santi wrote:Similar to Emi, if we get any bid around or over 25m we should take it.


Then who's cover for Bellerin and Tierney?

Kolasinac is on his way out so that leaves us with only one LB in Tierney.

Saka is not a defensive option, he's a LW, yes he can play there in an emergency or in a game where we have all the possession but he's not a defensive answer.

As for RB same with Cedric, in a game where we're taking a pounding against good opposition Cedric's low on defensive ability.

The way we're set up AMN's versatility of Left or Right Wing back is too important to our defensive ability, which has been the bed rock of our recent success.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Santi » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:21 pm

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Santi wrote:Similar to Emi, if we get any bid around or over 25m we should take it.


Then who's cover for Bellerin and Tierney?

Kolasinac is on his way out so that leaves us with only one LB in Tierney.

Saka is not a defensive option, he's a LW, yes he can play there in an emergency or in a game where we have all the possession but he's not a defensive answer.

As for RB same with Cedric, in a game where we're taking a pounding against good opposition Cedric's low on defensive ability.

The way we're set up AMN's versatility of Left or Right Wing back is too important to our defensive ability, which has been the bed rock of our recent success.


Yeah we'd have to buy someone like we're doing with Emi, find a cheap backup and use the funds elsewhere. Same like Martinez, if you get good money for a backup then take it.

Plus I still think t's likely, if we get the midfielders we want, then we'll see 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 more often and AMN will become slightly redundant because he's not as good at FB.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Dejan » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:03 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Similar to Emi, if we get any bid around or over 25m we should take it.


Then who's cover for Bellerin and Tierney?

Kolasinac is on his way out so that leaves us with only one LB in Tierney.

Saka is not a defensive option, he's a LW, yes he can play there in an emergency or in a game where we have all the possession but he's not a defensive answer.

As for RB same with Cedric, in a game where we're taking a pounding against good opposition Cedric's low on defensive ability.

The way we're set up AMN's versatility of Left or Right Wing back is too important to our defensive ability, which has been the bed rock of our recent success.


If someone offers 25m we have accept it ffs. Amn is so average. Just keep kola for another season and invest the 25m in partey and auouar.

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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Sims » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:44 pm

Don’t wanna see Kolasinac play ever again after that game against Spurs where all but 2 of his passes went to David Luiz
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Dejan wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Similar to Emi, if we get any bid around or over 25m we should take it.


Then who's cover for Bellerin and Tierney?

Kolasinac is on his way out so that leaves us with only one LB in Tierney.

Saka is not a defensive option, he's a LW, yes he can play there in an emergency or in a game where we have all the possession but he's not a defensive answer.

As for RB same with Cedric, in a game where we're taking a pounding against good opposition Cedric's low on defensive ability.

The way we're set up AMN's versatility of Left or Right Wing back is too important to our defensive ability, which has been the bed rock of our recent success.


If someone offers 25m we have accept it ffs. Amn is so average. Just keep kola for another season and invest the 25m in partey and auouar.

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AMN is not just playing average at WB, he won motm and was one of our heroes against City and Chelsea.

People need to adjust their impressions when someone is actually delivering, just because he's not a fancy name doesn't mean he hasn't upped his game, guys playing as well as Bellerin currently.

If we get the offer of £25m and Mikel wants to take it then so be it, but that doesn't change my previous statement, it opens up a can of worms on our defensive capabilities.

All our back up Fullbacks bar AMN are liabilities, we should of never have signed Cedric to begin with, guy plays more like a sh*t winger than a FB.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Santi » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:03 pm

He's had even less good games than Emi ffs, a bid over 25m would be madness to reject.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:04 pm

Santi wrote:He's had even less good games than Emi ffs, a bid over 25m would be madness to reject.


............ again, I'm not saying not to do it I'm saying that's up to Mikel.

Still doesn't change our back up FB situation.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:05 pm

Dejan wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:Similar to Emi, if we get any bid around or over 25m we should take it.


Then who's cover for Bellerin and Tierney?

Kolasinac is on his way out so that leaves us with only one LB in Tierney.

Saka is not a defensive option, he's a LW, yes he can play there in an emergency or in a game where we have all the possession but he's not a defensive answer.

As for RB same with Cedric, in a game where we're taking a pounding against good opposition Cedric's low on defensive ability.

The way we're set up AMN's versatility of Left or Right Wing back is too important to our defensive ability, which has been the bed rock of our recent success.


If someone offers 25m we have accept it ffs. Amn is so average. Just keep kola for another season and invest the 25m in partey and auouar.

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He was average, but he is improving.
When you see young talent start to improve at the rate AMN is, you don't dump them. That's a selling club mentality and leads to a path of forever having to splash the cash to bring in players developed elesewhere.
Right now we absolutely need to be in the bsuiness of developing young players and bringing in a handful of more experienced players to round off the squad.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Santi » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:08 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:He's had even less good games than Emi ffs, a bid over 25m would be madness to reject.


............ again, I'm not saying not to do it I'm saying that's up to Mikel.

Still doesn't change our back up FB situation.


I think yo go over the top about Cedric though, he's fine, nothing special but can cover Bellerin. The bigger worry would be Tierney staying fit for a whole season imo but like I said, we just sign someone cheap to replace AMN and hope they develop. If not we do have Saka who plays better from deep.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Dejan » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:16 pm

Santi wrote:He's had even less good games than Emi ffs, a bid over 25m would be madness to reject.
Absolutely

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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:23 pm

Santi wrote:I think yo go over the top about Cedric though, he's fine, nothing special but can cover Bellerin. The bigger worry would be Tierney staying fit for a whole season imo but like I said, we just sign someone cheap to replace AMN and hope they develop. If not we do have Saka who plays better from deep.


That makes no sense.

Why sell AMN just to spend on a replacement who can't do the job half as well?

A £10m LB is going to be sh*t, the benefit of AMN is he's performing as one of our top 3 FB's (Tierney, Bellerin, AMN) and yet he can cover either wing so we're not losing defensive quality.

If we sold Kola for £10m and AMN for £25m we'd need to spend £20m on a suitable replacement LB anyway so what's the point?

Any cheap LB is going to be a liability if Tierney gets injured and could actually cost us games, AMN maintains our quality no matter which wing he plays on.

Also Saka is not a FB, he's a winger, he'd get raped against top opposition and I've seen him switch off loads of time, in fact he caused a goal to happen once when he didn't bother to get close on a winger and the winger crossed it.

............ by the way, this is all moot unless Wolves even bids £25m, so far its been £20m and Mikel rejected it.
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Re: Ainsley Maitland-Niles (15)

Postby Santi » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:28 pm

Why doesn’t it make sense? We’d have 15m extra to spend (btw I never mentioned 10m, so just using your figure) towards improving the midfield massively.

Whilst we might take a slight drop in quality at LWB, the improvement at CM would be well worth it. End of the day when everyone is fit, AMN won’t even start and he’s been good for less time than Martínez like I said so who knows if he’ll continue to play so well in a position he didn’t previously want to be.

You’re making up a fantasy world where Tierney and Saka isn’t good enough at both LWB and LB when in fact the latter has played much better in a back 4 than AMN ever has. We’d be fine and have a huge chunk towards getting both Partey and Aouar. I can’t see how it makes sense for Martinez but not for AMN.
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