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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby swipe right » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:42 pm

Arteta made a massive mistake letting go of Ozil and Guendozi. A midfield of Ozil , Guendozi and Partey would have been very interesting. Put Auba and Laca at the top along with Saka who can drop into midfield as the extra man if we are getting overloaded.
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 am

swipe right wrote:Arteta made a massive mistake letting go of Ozil and Guendozi. A midfield of Ozil , Guendozi and Partey would have been very interesting. Put Auba and Laca at the top along with Saka who can drop into midfield as the extra man if we are getting overloaded.


Hahahahahahaha :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Would that be the same Ozil who can't do feck all in the mickey mouse league he's joined? It's 2021 not 2017 get over it.

Moving on Ozil was one of the few good things Arteta did, sadly the board just replaced him with Auba .... we need 26/27 year old midfield players who can do three years and still have massive value to sign a new contract or to sell ... no more 30+ on long contracts with stupid salaries will we never learn?
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby swipe right » Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:47 am

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Arteta made a massive mistake letting go of Ozil and Guendozi. A midfield of Ozil , Guendozi and Partey would have been very interesting. Put Auba and Laca at the top along with Saka who can drop into midfield as the extra man if we are getting overloaded.


Hahahahahahaha :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Would that be the same Ozil who can't do feck all in the mickey mouse league he's joined? It's 2021 not 2017 get over it.

Moving on Ozil was one of the few good things Arteta did, sadly the board just replaced him with Auba .... we need 26/27 year old midfield players who can do three years and still have massive value to sign a new contract or to sell ... no more 30+ on long contracts with stupid salaries will we never learn?

Who cares what he does or does not do in turkey? We know what he can do in England. What difference if it’s 2017 or 2021? His game was never about pace or power. It was about guile and touch which are not affected by age. You put the right ball winners behind him and runners around him and he’s going to get you goals. It’s the managers job to figure out how to bring out the best in him and keep him motivated. What else do managers do?
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby VCC » Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:25 am

Yeah Douzi falling over everywhere bragging about how much he is paid to fall over and ozil doing f**k all
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:57 am

EliteKiller wrote:The problem/risk you take with any young player who has a reputation far above his achievements to date is the price.

In any sane world Odegaard a 22 year old bench player at RM who has been loaned out to get game time is worth 10m and 50k a week - however Madrid want 60m and Odegaard allegedly wants 100K plus ....

This can go two ways if we invest 100m in the player with a five year contract:

A) He becomes a legendary AM assisting and scoring 20 goals a season
B) He becomes another overpaid squad player who we sell at a 60m loss in three/four years time.

Is this a good gamble? in my opinion no it isn't, how has it worked out with Pepe and Torreira?

Far better spending that 100m on three more Kieran Tierney type players, far less risky with three chances of a win versus one and if they don't make the grade then we're not stuck with massively overpaid squad fillers.

Odegaard might be the next KDB but should we bet the house on that?

EK are you referring to British?

Im not gonna knock British, we could do with a few more players with the correct mindset at the club.

But where I depart from British is top level tekkers, too few British players have it, of the stand outs we have at the moment we have Mount, Foden, Grealish and ESR. Mount and Foden have top tekkers whereas Grealish and ESR are more your swashbuckling "Merson" types - they don't have outstanding tekkers but are all action and all over the pitch.
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby swipe right » Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:04 am

theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:The problem/risk you take with any young player who has a reputation far above his achievements to date is the price.

In any sane world Odegaard a 22 year old bench player at RM who has been loaned out to get game time is worth 10m and 50k a week - however Madrid want 60m and Odegaard allegedly wants 100K plus ....

This can go two ways if we invest 100m in the player with a five year contract:

A) He becomes a legendary AM assisting and scoring 20 goals a season
B) He becomes another overpaid squad player who we sell at a 60m loss in three/four years time.

Is this a good gamble? in my opinion no it isn't, how has it worked out with Pepe and Torreira?

Far better spending that 100m on three more Kieran Tierney type players, far less risky with three chances of a win versus one and if they don't make the grade then we're not stuck with massively overpaid squad fillers.

Odegaard might be the next KDB but should we bet the house on that?

EK are you referring to British?

Im not gonna knock British, we could do with a few more players with the correct mindset at the club.

But where I depart from British is top level tekkers, too few British players have it, of the stand outs we have at the moment we have Mount, Foden, Grealish and ESR. Mount and Foden have top tekkers whereas Grealish and ESR are more your swashbuckling "Merson" types - they don't have outstanding tekkers but are all action and all over the pitch.

Would have agreed a few years ago with that sentiment. But lately English talent are quality. FA has done a top job at the grassroots. England should be challenging for top honors moving forward.
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:14 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Arteta made a massive mistake letting go of Ozil and Guendozi. A midfield of Ozil , Guendozi and Partey would have been very interesting. Put Auba and Laca at the top along with Saka who can drop into midfield as the extra man if we are getting overloaded.


Hahahahahahaha :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Would that be the same Ozil who can't do feck all in the mickey mouse league he's joined? It's 2021 not 2017 get over it.

Moving on Ozil was one of the few good things Arteta did, sadly the board just replaced him with Auba .... we need 26/27 year old midfield players who can do three years and still have massive value to sign a new contract or to sell ... no more 30+ on long contracts with stupid salaries will we never learn?


Entirely unfair.
Ozil came back to play after almost a year out.
He looked off the pace and then got injured when returning to football in Turkey.
The mistake Arteta made was dropping him in the first place.
He should have been penned in as a starter until he left in the summer.
We simply downgraded to Odegaard - and he's not even our player. We'll still have to replace Ozil in the summer anyway.
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:41 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Arteta made a massive mistake letting go of Ozil and Guendozi. A midfield of Ozil , Guendozi and Partey would have been very interesting. Put Auba and Laca at the top along with Saka who can drop into midfield as the extra man if we are getting overloaded.


Hahahahahahaha :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :rofll: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Would that be the same Ozil who can't do feck all in the mickey mouse league he's joined? It's 2021 not 2017 get over it.

Moving on Ozil was one of the few good things Arteta did, sadly the board just replaced him with Auba .... we need 26/27 year old midfield players who can do three years and still have massive value to sign a new contract or to sell ... no more 30+ on long contracts with stupid salaries will we never learn?

10th in the league and playing the worst football I have seen since I have followed Arsenal confirms it WAS a massive mistake.
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:38 am

theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:The problem/risk you take with any young player who has a reputation far above his achievements to date is the price.

In any sane world Odegaard a 22 year old bench player at RM who has been loaned out to get game time is worth 10m and 50k a week - however Madrid want 60m and Odegaard allegedly wants 100K plus ....

This can go two ways if we invest 100m in the player with a five year contract:

A) He becomes a legendary AM assisting and scoring 20 goals a season
B) He becomes another overpaid squad player who we sell at a 60m loss in three/four years time.

Is this a good gamble? in my opinion no it isn't, how has it worked out with Pepe and Torreira?

Far better spending that 100m on three more Kieran Tierney type players, far less risky with three chances of a win versus one and if they don't make the grade then we're not stuck with massively overpaid squad fillers.

Odegaard might be the next KDB but should we bet the house on that?

EK are you referring to British?

Im not gonna knock British, we could do with a few more players with the correct mindset at the club.

But where I depart from British is top level tekkers, too few British players have it, of the stand outs we have at the moment we have Mount, Foden, Grealish and ESR. Mount and Foden have top tekkers whereas Grealish and ESR are more your swashbuckling "Merson" types - they don't have outstanding tekkers but are all action and all over the pitch.


No question that you pay a premium for British talent due to the home grown rules, that said there has been a lot of high quality British talent coming through as the EPL academies now scoop up almost all the young talent because simply because of their financial clout ...

I'm not saying we have to buy all British, but we do have to comply with the home grown rule, but we need to buy guys with 2/3 years EPL experience who still have 7/8 years left in them ... players around 23/24/25 if you look at last summer Barkley, Chilwell, Batshuayi, Godfrey, Wilson, KWP, Hojbjerg and sadly for us Martinez all now look like good value buys.

Sometimes we need to buy solid squad players rather than risky potential stars ....
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby KG3 » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:46 am

EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:The problem/risk you take with any young player who has a reputation far above his achievements to date is the price.

In any sane world Odegaard a 22 year old bench player at RM who has been loaned out to get game time is worth 10m and 50k a week - however Madrid want 60m and Odegaard allegedly wants 100K plus ....

This can go two ways if we invest 100m in the player with a five year contract:

A) He becomes a legendary AM assisting and scoring 20 goals a season
B) He becomes another overpaid squad player who we sell at a 60m loss in three/four years time.

Is this a good gamble? in my opinion no it isn't, how has it worked out with Pepe and Torreira?

Far better spending that 100m on three more Kieran Tierney type players, far less risky with three chances of a win versus one and if they don't make the grade then we're not stuck with massively overpaid squad fillers.

Odegaard might be the next KDB but should we bet the house on that?

EK are you referring to British?

Im not gonna knock British, we could do with a few more players with the correct mindset at the club.

But where I depart from British is top level tekkers, too few British players have it, of the stand outs we have at the moment we have Mount, Foden, Grealish and ESR. Mount and Foden have top tekkers whereas Grealish and ESR are more your swashbuckling "Merson" types - they don't have outstanding tekkers but are all action and all over the pitch.


No question that you pay a premium for British talent due to the home grown rules, that said there has been a lot of high quality British talent coming through as the EPL academies now scoop up almost all the young talent because simply because of their financial clout ...

I'm not saying we have to buy all British, but we do have to comply with the home grown rule, but we need to buy guys with 2/3 years EPL experience who still have 7/8 years left in them ... players around 23/24/25 if you look at last summer Barkley, Chilwell, Batshuayi, Godfrey, Wilson, KWP, Hojbjerg and sadly for us Martinez all now look like good value buys.

Sometimes we need to buy solid squad players rather than risky potential stars ....


I’ve been saying this for time just look at Liverpool with Robertson and Wijnaldum those two were questionable buys at the time but now look how important they’re to the Liverpool side, arguably top 3/5 in their respective positions.

Ferguson was someone who understood how good BPL experience players were Van der Saar, Valencia, Tevez, Carrick, Saha etc the list goes on

BPL experience is very underrated we need to start spending our money better we paid more for Xhaka when Kante was available, could have had Mahrez the year before for less than what we paid for Pepe

Edit: This is why I was trying to tell people Zaha would have been a better signing for us than Pepe, Zaha isn’t worth the money either, but the difference is we know he’s capable of performing at a consistent level, in a better side than Palace he could only do better

This season in the Zaha 9G, 2A in 22 games, Sterling 9G, 6A in 26 games, Mahrez 9G, 4A in 24 games, Zaha is providing similar numbers as two wingers in a world class XI, who are currently on their way to another BPL, only difference is Zaha doesn’t have any world class players around him. Anyways we went for the wrong Ivorian nothing we can do about it now lol
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:08 am

KG3 wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:The problem/risk you take with any young player who has a reputation far above his achievements to date is the price.

In any sane world Odegaard a 22 year old bench player at RM who has been loaned out to get game time is worth 10m and 50k a week - however Madrid want 60m and Odegaard allegedly wants 100K plus ....

This can go two ways if we invest 100m in the player with a five year contract:

A) He becomes a legendary AM assisting and scoring 20 goals a season
B) He becomes another overpaid squad player who we sell at a 60m loss in three/four years time.

Is this a good gamble? in my opinion no it isn't, how has it worked out with Pepe and Torreira?

Far better spending that 100m on three more Kieran Tierney type players, far less risky with three chances of a win versus one and if they don't make the grade then we're not stuck with massively overpaid squad fillers.

Odegaard might be the next KDB but should we bet the house on that?

EK are you referring to British?

Im not gonna knock British, we could do with a few more players with the correct mindset at the club.

But where I depart from British is top level tekkers, too few British players have it, of the stand outs we have at the moment we have Mount, Foden, Grealish and ESR. Mount and Foden have top tekkers whereas Grealish and ESR are more your swashbuckling "Merson" types - they don't have outstanding tekkers but are all action and all over the pitch.


No question that you pay a premium for British talent due to the home grown rules, that said there has been a lot of high quality British talent coming through as the EPL academies now scoop up almost all the young talent because simply because of their financial clout ...

I'm not saying we have to buy all British, but we do have to comply with the home grown rule, but we need to buy guys with 2/3 years EPL experience who still have 7/8 years left in them ... players around 23/24/25 if you look at last summer Barkley, Chilwell, Batshuayi, Godfrey, Wilson, KWP, Hojbjerg and sadly for us Martinez all now look like good value buys.

Sometimes we need to buy solid squad players rather than risky potential stars ....


I’ve been saying this for time just look at Liverpool with Robertson and Wijnaldum those two were questionable buys at the time but now look how important they’re to the Liverpool side, arguably top 3/5 in their respective positions.

Ferguson was someone who understood how good BPL experience players were Van der Saar, Valencia, Tevez, Carrick, Saha etc the list goes on

BPL experience is very underrated we need to start spending our money better we paid more for Xhaka when Kante was available, could have had Mahrez the year before for less than what we paid for Pepe


Totally agree.
We have no more room for mistakes on players that are unproven in the PL.
We need to buy tried and trusted PL players.
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby Ach » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:43 pm

Real Madrid are unwilling to sell Martin Odegaard to Arsenal this summer - according to Marca.

It has been suggested that the Gunners will try to make the Norwegian's loan deal at Emirates Stadium permanent this summer, but the Blancos have no plans to sanction his departure.

Vinicius Junior, Rodrygo, and Federico Valverde have also been placed on the non-transferable list alongside Odegaard, who has impressed in the Premier League since joining Arsenal in January.


A shame. He's done well after a slow start
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:19 pm

KG3 wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:The problem/risk you take with any young player who has a reputation far above his achievements to date is the price.

In any sane world Odegaard a 22 year old bench player at RM who has been loaned out to get game time is worth 10m and 50k a week - however Madrid want 60m and Odegaard allegedly wants 100K plus ....

This can go two ways if we invest 100m in the player with a five year contract:

A) He becomes a legendary AM assisting and scoring 20 goals a season
B) He becomes another overpaid squad player who we sell at a 60m loss in three/four years time.

Is this a good gamble? in my opinion no it isn't, how has it worked out with Pepe and Torreira?

Far better spending that 100m on three more Kieran Tierney type players, far less risky with three chances of a win versus one and if they don't make the grade then we're not stuck with massively overpaid squad fillers.

Odegaard might be the next KDB but should we bet the house on that?

EK are you referring to British?

Im not gonna knock British, we could do with a few more players with the correct mindset at the club.

But where I depart from British is top level tekkers, too few British players have it, of the stand outs we have at the moment we have Mount, Foden, Grealish and ESR. Mount and Foden have top tekkers whereas Grealish and ESR are more your swashbuckling "Merson" types - they don't have outstanding tekkers but are all action and all over the pitch.


No question that you pay a premium for British talent due to the home grown rules, that said there has been a lot of high quality British talent coming through as the EPL academies now scoop up almost all the young talent because simply because of their financial clout ...

I'm not saying we have to buy all British, but we do have to comply with the home grown rule, but we need to buy guys with 2/3 years EPL experience who still have 7/8 years left in them ... players around 23/24/25 if you look at last summer Barkley, Chilwell, Batshuayi, Godfrey, Wilson, KWP, Hojbjerg and sadly for us Martinez all now look like good value buys.

Sometimes we need to buy solid squad players rather than risky potential stars ....


I’ve been saying this for time just look at Liverpool with Robertson and Wijnaldum those two were questionable buys at the time but now look how important they’re to the Liverpool side, arguably top 3/5 in their respective positions.

Ferguson was someone who understood how good BPL experience players were Van der Saar, Valencia, Tevez, Carrick, Saha etc the list goes on

BPL experience is very underrated we need to start spending our money better we paid more for Xhaka when Kante was available, could have had Mahrez the year before for less than what we paid for Pepe

Edit: This is why I was trying to tell people Zaha would have been a better signing for us than Pepe, Zaha isn’t worth the money either, but the difference is we know he’s capable of performing at a consistent level, in a better side than Palace he could only do better

This season in the Zaha 9G, 2A in 22 games, Sterling 9G, 6A in 26 games, Mahrez 9G, 4A in 24 games, Zaha is providing similar numbers as two wingers in a world class XI, who are currently on their way to another BPL, only difference is Zaha doesn’t have any world class players around him. Anyways we went for the wrong Ivorian nothing we can do about it now lol

Now take into account that Pepe has scored 5 goals and got 1 assist in 1233 Prem mins compared to Zaha's 1983 mins and Sterling's 2176 mins.
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Re: Martin Ødegaard (11)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:51 am

theHotHead wrote:
KG3 wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:The problem/risk you take with any young player who has a reputation far above his achievements to date is the price.

In any sane world Odegaard a 22 year old bench player at RM who has been loaned out to get game time is worth 10m and 50k a week - however Madrid want 60m and Odegaard allegedly wants 100K plus ....

This can go two ways if we invest 100m in the player with a five year contract:

A) He becomes a legendary AM assisting and scoring 20 goals a season
B) He becomes another overpaid squad player who we sell at a 60m loss in three/four years time.

Is this a good gamble? in my opinion no it isn't, how has it worked out with Pepe and Torreira?

Far better spending that 100m on three more Kieran Tierney type players, far less risky with three chances of a win versus one and if they don't make the grade then we're not stuck with massively overpaid squad fillers.

Odegaard might be the next KDB but should we bet the house on that?

EK are you referring to British?

Im not gonna knock British, we could do with a few more players with the correct mindset at the club.

But where I depart from British is top level tekkers, too few British players have it, of the stand outs we have at the moment we have Mount, Foden, Grealish and ESR. Mount and Foden have top tekkers whereas Grealish and ESR are more your swashbuckling "Merson" types - they don't have outstanding tekkers but are all action and all over the pitch.


No question that you pay a premium for British talent due to the home grown rules, that said there has been a lot of high quality British talent coming through as the EPL academies now scoop up almost all the young talent because simply because of their financial clout ...

I'm not saying we have to buy all British, but we do have to comply with the home grown rule, but we need to buy guys with 2/3 years EPL experience who still have 7/8 years left in them ... players around 23/24/25 if you look at last summer Barkley, Chilwell, Batshuayi, Godfrey, Wilson, KWP, Hojbjerg and sadly for us Martinez all now look like good value buys.

Sometimes we need to buy solid squad players rather than risky potential stars ....


I’ve been saying this for time just look at Liverpool with Robertson and Wijnaldum those two were questionable buys at the time but now look how important they’re to the Liverpool side, arguably top 3/5 in their respective positions.

Ferguson was someone who understood how good BPL experience players were Van der Saar, Valencia, Tevez, Carrick, Saha etc the list goes on

BPL experience is very underrated we need to start spending our money better we paid more for Xhaka when Kante was available, could have had Mahrez the year before for less than what we paid for Pepe

Edit: This is why I was trying to tell people Zaha would have been a better signing for us than Pepe, Zaha isn’t worth the money either, but the difference is we know he’s capable of performing at a consistent level, in a better side than Palace he could only do better

This season in the Zaha 9G, 2A in 22 games, Sterling 9G, 6A in 26 games, Mahrez 9G, 4A in 24 games, Zaha is providing similar numbers as two wingers in a world class XI, who are currently on their way to another BPL, only difference is Zaha doesn’t have any world class players around him. Anyways we went for the wrong Ivorian nothing we can do about it now lol

Now take into account that Pepe has scored 5 goals and got 1 assist in 1233 Prem mins compared to Zaha's 1983 mins and Sterling's 2176 mins.


Pepe is doing quite well recently, but his current form needs to be his baseline form over an entire season or two for him to recover his reputation from the massive disappointment he has been. Even he maintains current form we got screwed on the transfer fee.
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