jayramfootball wrote:NovaGB wrote:theHotHead wrote:NovaGB wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Marsbar100 wrote:Kewon apparently coached the defense in that run
Yes, both Keown and Parlour were still at the club in the Invincibles season (as was Bergkamp - not a Graham signing but a pre Wenger player who had teh same mentality as the Graham team and slotted right in) and the players at the club who were not in the Graham area had a direct attachment to it. Players like Vieira had the benefit of playing alongside Graham's defence and really understood the club culture. As time drifted on and the link to the Graham era was a distant memory, Wenger's lack of defensive coaching knowledge really came through and hurt the club badly.
The invincibles defence was equally as good as Grahams defence, Lauren, Toure, Campbell, Cole, it just went to shit after that.
Grahams defence was great, but also had a couple of seasons where they were piss poor (the 10th place and 12th place seasons in the 90s)
The Invcincibles defence was not as good as Graham's defence, they conceded 26 goals compared to 18 that Graham's 1990-91 team conceded. Interestingly Graham's team scored 74 compared to the Invincibles 73.
Graham played flat out Mourinho style park the bus-scrape-a-1-0 football, Wenger played exciting attacking football, had those players played under Mourinho they would have been just as good.
Its not a lot different to how Arteta has made Mustafi look like a good cb, but he looked useless under Emery.
Simply not correct.
There were only four 1-0 results in our 90-91 campaign.
We scored 3 or more goals in 11 of the 38 matches.
In the 88-89 title winning season (THE SEASON) there were just two 1-0 wins ..
and 9 matches where we scored 3 or more goals.
The Invincibles scored 3 or more in 9 of the 38 matches
By the sound of it you were not around when GG was managing Arsenal - or are so smitten with Wenger you've forgotten there were great Arsenal teams before he took over the managers job.
In my view, of Wengers 21 years - half of them comprised the most boring football I have ever seen. Tippy tappy sideways nothingness.
As for Graham, that 88-89 season culmitaing in the game at Anfield is still the pinnacle of what our club has achieved. If I had to chose to negate either that or the Invincibles season, i'd be scrubbing out the Invincibles season every time.
Don't be a dick cos i don't agree, we were called boring boring arsenal, and yes i was like 10 years old when we won at Anfield so i'm no expert, typical of this place, you disagree and you get little gobshite comments.
How much do you remember from ages 5-10?
We probably were better than i remember, i only started watching in 89, and didn't really care a lot until the season we finished 10th which was 92 or 93, something like that.
At the era where i would start to take a lot of it in, Graham had ran us into the ground, we had a mediocre Rioch season, then Wenger took us from being laughing stocks to a force in the league, cups and did well in the champions league, and developed some of the best players on the planet, so thats where my opinions come from.
You guys just remember the later Wenger years after the stadium move and discredit everything he done, like a vendetta, it seems to be the cool opinion here to shit on everything he brought to us and the english game because you are sour about the latter years.
Thats the problem with age...memory loss
At least he didn't get caught doing bungs then become a spud, thats as bad as Fergie becoming the new Liverpool manager.
My memory might be warped, but i'm not the type to hammer google before i type, i don't feel the need to pad my knowledge with stuff i didn't experience first hand, if i'm wrong i'm wrong.