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starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently

jayramfootball wrote:

starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently

Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

Power n Glory wrote:

KG3 wrote:What I find funny is that David Moyes joined West Ham the same month as Arteta joined us, at that point West Ham were 17th 1 point clear of relegation, now he were we are a year and a few months on, they’re in top 4 with a few games left. Moyes has an even more average squad and limited budget that Arteta.

Now imagine the outrage if we went for David Moyes back then instead of Arteta, not saying Moyes is the answer or anything but this just shows how this job is far too big for Arteta, just like how Lampard was out of his depth at Chelsea.

Aside from the rare examples like Pep/Zidane every manager has to start somewhere small with less pressure, even they had some sort of experience with B team sides before taking on the big job.

The only thing Arteta had on his CV was being peps cone man and somehow that made him qualified for the job

Arteta is an intelligent guy and who knows maybe in the future he’ll become a great manager but we can’t afford to wait 5 years for him to learn, he’s already doing damage to us as it is, the next manager will have no talented youths to work with at this rate the way Arteta is forcing them out, for the sake of our club and it’s future we need to let him go at the end of the season, even if we win the Europa, because let’s be honest with those fixtures we have left a PE teacher could win the cup.

Crazy season. Moyes didn't even have a budget. One of the lowest spending teams this season but is pushing for top 4. Jokes on us.

starmandb wrote:

jayramfootball wrote:

starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently

Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

23 is still young otherwise why is under 23 leagues and tournaments for championships still a thing
The fact that these players have become established and seem older is testimony to us having a fantastic youth policy
Smith Rowe was injured for large parts
His rise has pretty much coincided with the arrival of Odegaard
I am more tolerant of the whole loan thing than yourself as well
I have seen plenty of players that we even brought in the past that came in for a season if needed
Didn’t stop players like keown adams Rocky Thomas Merson coming through
Even as far back as Brady Rix Stapleton etc
The likes of Alan Hudson, Peter Nicholas and the like did not stop the cream rising to the top

jayramfootball wrote:

starmandb wrote:

jayramfootball wrote:

starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently

Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

23 is still young otherwise why is under 23 leagues and tournaments for championships still a thing
The fact that these players have become established and seem older is testimony to us having a fantastic youth policy
Smith Rowe was injured for large parts
His rise has pretty much coincided with the arrival of Odegaard
I am more tolerant of the whole loan thing than yourself as well
I have seen plenty of players that we even brought in the past that came in for a season if needed
Didn’t stop players like keown adams Rocky Thomas Merson coming through
Even as far back as Brady Rix Stapleton etc
The likes of Alan Hudson, Peter Nicholas and the like did not stop the cream rising to the top

They are not U23, though. Both are over 23.
ESR's rise did not coincide at all with Odegaards arrival. It was well before.

There is no problem with older players starting - they should. Experience counts. But only if they are performing. We've persisted with players that have shown themselves to not be good enough, whilst benching the likes of Martinelli, discarded others on loan and reduced the minutes of others.

starmandb wrote:

jayramfootball wrote:

starmandb wrote:

jayramfootball wrote:

starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently

Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

23 is still young otherwise why is under 23 leagues and tournaments for championships still a thing
The fact that these players have become established and seem older is testimony to us having a fantastic youth policy
Smith Rowe was injured for large parts
His rise has pretty much coincided with the arrival of Odegaard
I am more tolerant of the whole loan thing than yourself as well
I have seen plenty of players that we even brought in the past that came in for a season if needed
Didn’t stop players like keown adams Rocky Thomas Merson coming through
Even as far back as Brady Rix Stapleton etc
The likes of Alan Hudson, Peter Nicholas and the like did not stop the cream rising to the top

They are not U23, though. Both are over 23.
ESR's rise did not coincide at all with Odegaards arrival. It was well before.

There is no problem with older players starting - they should. Experience counts. But only if they are performing. We've persisted with players that have shown themselves to not be good enough, whilst benching the likes of Martinelli, discarded others on loan and reduced the minutes of others.

Tierney and Gabriel both born after 1st jan 1997 which is the criteria for the under 23 league
So if smith Rowe’s rise was hindered by Ødegaard how come he was playing before Ødegaard arrival
And has continued to play in the team?
In agreement with regards the older players
Everybody should have to be on their toes to keep their place regardless of status
I have no problem however with Arteta as manager making team selections on what he believes
By the same token he must be judged on results and they really have not been good enough

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

theHotHead wrote:

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

theHotHead wrote:

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

swipe right wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

HH - you can bet Mou gets the sack before Mikel.

EliteKiller wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

Spurs are above us yet again and are in a cup final, and yet the media are all over them for "failing" and Mourinho is the bookies favourite to get the sack ... meanwhile nobody cares about mid-table Arsenal apart from us.

If you can't see that narrative you're blind. Spurs are being covered as a failing big club we are being treated as some mid-table sad joke.

It is 100% on the hierarchy, from allowing the Gazidis/Wenger axis to take us down a failed path to appointing 2nd tier managers with 2nd tier budgets to keep doing what clearly isn't working ... just where's the ambition?

swipe right wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

HH - you can bet Mou gets the sack before Mikel.