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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:40 am

starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently


Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby starmandb » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:26 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently


Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

23 is still young otherwise why is under 23 leagues and tournaments for championships still a thing
The fact that these players have become established and seem older is testimony to us having a fantastic youth policy
Smith Rowe was injured for large parts
His rise has pretty much coincided with the arrival of Odegaard
I am more tolerant of the whole loan thing than yourself as well
I have seen plenty of players that we even brought in the past that came in for a season if needed
Didn’t stop players like keown adams Rocky Thomas Merson coming through
Even as far back as Brady Rix Stapleton etc
The likes of Alan Hudson, Peter Nicholas and the like did not stop the cream rising to the top
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:37 pm

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KG3 wrote:What I find funny is that David Moyes joined West Ham the same month as Arteta joined us, at that point West Ham were 17th 1 point clear of relegation, now he were we are a year and a few months on, they’re in top 4 with a few games left. Moyes has an even more average squad and limited budget that Arteta.

Now imagine the outrage if we went for David Moyes back then instead of Arteta, not saying Moyes is the answer or anything but this just shows how this job is far too big for Arteta, just like how Lampard was out of his depth at Chelsea.

Aside from the rare examples like Pep/Zidane every manager has to start somewhere small with less pressure, even they had some sort of experience with B team sides before taking on the big job.

The only thing Arteta had on his CV was being peps cone man and somehow that made him qualified for the job :lol:

Arteta is an intelligent guy and who knows maybe in the future he’ll become a great manager but we can’t afford to wait 5 years for him to learn, he’s already doing damage to us as it is, the next manager will have no talented youths to work with at this rate the way Arteta is forcing them out, for the sake of our club and it’s future we need to let him go at the end of the season, even if we win the Europa, because let’s be honest with those fixtures we have left a PE teacher could win the cup.


Crazy season. Moyes didn't even have a budget. One of the lowest spending teams this season but is pushing for top 4. Jokes on us.

This continues to be the big fat boot that kicks the argument that Arteta needs his own squad into the weeds. Its a nonsensical argument that people keep trotting out. The man should at least be able to get these players to perform closer to their ability. Imagine getting your arse saved week in week out by Tierney, Saka and ESR !
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:48 pm

starmandb wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently


Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

23 is still young otherwise why is under 23 leagues and tournaments for championships still a thing
The fact that these players have become established and seem older is testimony to us having a fantastic youth policy
Smith Rowe was injured for large parts
His rise has pretty much coincided with the arrival of Odegaard
I am more tolerant of the whole loan thing than yourself as well
I have seen plenty of players that we even brought in the past that came in for a season if needed
Didn’t stop players like keown adams Rocky Thomas Merson coming through
Even as far back as Brady Rix Stapleton etc
The likes of Alan Hudson, Peter Nicholas and the like did not stop the cream rising to the top


They are not U23, though. Both are over 23.
ESR's rise did not coincide at all with Odegaards arrival. It was well before.

There is no problem with older players starting - they should. Experience counts. But only if they are performing. We've persisted with players that have shown themselves to not be good enough, whilst benching the likes of Martinelli, discarded others on loan and reduced the minutes of others.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby starmandb » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:04 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
starmandb wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently


Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

23 is still young otherwise why is under 23 leagues and tournaments for championships still a thing
The fact that these players have become established and seem older is testimony to us having a fantastic youth policy
Smith Rowe was injured for large parts
His rise has pretty much coincided with the arrival of Odegaard
I am more tolerant of the whole loan thing than yourself as well
I have seen plenty of players that we even brought in the past that came in for a season if needed
Didn’t stop players like keown adams Rocky Thomas Merson coming through
Even as far back as Brady Rix Stapleton etc
The likes of Alan Hudson, Peter Nicholas and the like did not stop the cream rising to the top


They are not U23, though. Both are over 23.
ESR's rise did not coincide at all with Odegaards arrival. It was well before.

There is no problem with older players starting - they should. Experience counts. But only if they are performing. We've persisted with players that have shown themselves to not be good enough, whilst benching the likes of Martinelli, discarded others on loan and reduced the minutes of others.

Tierney and Gabriel both born after 1st jan 1997 which is the criteria for the under 23 league
So if smith Rowe’s rise was hindered by Ødegaard how come he was playing before Ødegaard arrival
And has continued to play in the team?
In agreement with regards the older players
Everybody should have to be on their toes to keep their place regardless of status
I have no problem however with Arteta as manager making team selections on what he believes
By the same token he must be judged on results and they really have not been good enough
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:17 pm

starmandb wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
starmandb wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
starmandb wrote:They have gone on loan not sold
If they are good enough
They will play regardless of age
Loads of players become better in the mind when they are not playing
Tierney, Gabriel, saka, smith Rowe, odegaard have had plenty of minutes just recently


Tierney is 23.
Gabriel is 23.
Odegaard is slightly different as he's come in on loan - ironically to take minutes away from one of our talented youngsters - ESR, who has only played 952 minutes in the PL this season.
Saka is probably the only youth / young player that has had a good amount of game time.

Sending players out on loan is still the same as not giving them a chance here.

Being good enough doesn't seem to be the formula with Arteta - otherwise, a lot of the older players who simply haven't been good enough would have been dropped.

23 is still young otherwise why is under 23 leagues and tournaments for championships still a thing
The fact that these players have become established and seem older is testimony to us having a fantastic youth policy
Smith Rowe was injured for large parts
His rise has pretty much coincided with the arrival of Odegaard
I am more tolerant of the whole loan thing than yourself as well
I have seen plenty of players that we even brought in the past that came in for a season if needed
Didn’t stop players like keown adams Rocky Thomas Merson coming through
Even as far back as Brady Rix Stapleton etc
The likes of Alan Hudson, Peter Nicholas and the like did not stop the cream rising to the top


They are not U23, though. Both are over 23.
ESR's rise did not coincide at all with Odegaards arrival. It was well before.

There is no problem with older players starting - they should. Experience counts. But only if they are performing. We've persisted with players that have shown themselves to not be good enough, whilst benching the likes of Martinelli, discarded others on loan and reduced the minutes of others.

Tierney and Gabriel both born after 1st jan 1997 which is the criteria for the under 23 league
So if smith Rowe’s rise was hindered by Ødegaard how come he was playing before Ødegaard arrival

And has continued to play in the team?
In agreement with regards the older players
Everybody should have to be on their toes to keep their place regardless of status
I have no problem however with Arteta as manager making team selections on what he believes
By the same token he must be judged on results and they really have not been good enough


OK, I just don;t consider a conversation about not giving minutes to young developing players to include Tierney or Gabriel.
As for ESR, he's played less minutes since Odegaard got here.
To be fair, Arteta dropped him for before Odegaards starting debut too - inexplicably - but there is no doubt his minutes have dropped off in the last few weeks, outside of his injury.
After the Chelsea match he should have been starting every game - as should Martinelli.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:46 pm

Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Nuggets » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:06 pm

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5


There have been some signs of progress under Arteta, but they have been too few and far between to suggest Arsenal are going anywhere fast. An organisation that was once an English superpower, then Champions League regulars, has grown a little too comfortable with being a project club.

They got that right.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:46 pm

swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:37 pm

theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!


Spurs are above us yet again and are in a cup final, and yet the media are all over them for "failing" and Mourinho is the bookies favourite to get the sack ... meanwhile nobody cares about mid-table Arsenal apart from us.

If you can't see that narrative you're blind. Spurs are being covered as a failing big club we are being treated as some mid-table sad joke.

It is 100% on the hierarchy, from allowing the Gazidis/Wenger axis to take us down a failed path to appointing 2nd tier managers with 2nd tier budgets to keep doing what clearly isn't working ... just where's the ambition?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:04 am

theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

HH - you can bet Mou gets the sack before Mikel.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Nuggets » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:44 am

For some sad reason, our clown of a manager is fireproof.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby KG3 » Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:02 am

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

HH - you can bet Mou gets the sack before Mikel.

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:13 am

EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!


Spurs are above us yet again and are in a cup final, and yet the media are all over them for "failing" and Mourinho is the bookies favourite to get the sack ... meanwhile nobody cares about mid-table Arsenal apart from us.

If you can't see that narrative you're blind. Spurs are being covered as a failing big club we are being treated as some mid-table sad joke.

It is 100% on the hierarchy, from allowing the Gazidis/Wenger axis to take us down a failed path to appointing 2nd tier managers with 2nd tier budgets to keep doing what clearly isn't working ... just where's the ambition?

EK, through all of his trials and tribulations at Spurs we have not heard a peep from the Spurs Hierarchy about Mourinho. The Mourinho narrative is more about Mourinho than Spurs, he is a very polarising man, he is a media dream, he is also one of the biggest coaches/managers in world football. Its the media who have created a narrative to sell stories. Of course pundits will talk about Mourinho's position, doesn't mean the hierarchy give a shit just because a load of bods keep talking about it.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:19 am

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:Why Have Arsenal Allowed Their Standards To Slip So Drastically Under Mikel Arteta?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/grahamruth ... cfbaf358a5

The author of the article is an idiot. How is he going to say there is a lack of alarm at Arsenal, from the hierarchy and the fans and then saying Spurs are still in various competitions and there is more noise there. Nonsense. What more noise is there? The Spurs hierachy have said f**k all, Spurs fans are no more vocal than us, we moan more than they do!! They are used to not winning shit!

There are no fans at stadiums either, so how does this eejut know what the fans are saying!!

HH - you can bet Mou gets the sack before Mikel.

Yeah I feel the same. But there is no way the fans are happy which is what the author stated.
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