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starmandb wrote:I dont accept that I will never see a better side than we saw under wenger
How can I believe that when I saw Arsenal’s 70/71 side and our 2001/02 side bettered?
Global franchise
What does that mean?
Only one Arsenal
The one that wenger arrived at was only behind Liverpool as the most decorated club in the country
We were on the map globally
From my first days of going it was always in the programme how we were welcoming such and such fanclub from somewhere in the world.
Arsenal was wenger?
What an insult to you,I & anyone that ever had a care for this club
Wenger was a great chapter of this club’s history but unlike us was paid to do so
I don’t doubt his affection but I believe his desire to do everything rather than delegate well ended up very damaging
In fact his nose was put out of joint when he had keown helping defence wise during our run to the champions league final and he was jettisoned
Are people unequivocally backing Arteta?
Of course 10th is not good enough but does not moaning about every aspect of the club mean you are happy with his management?
To say Wenger never complained is a joke
His excuse mongery regarding tiredness, refereeing, pitches engendered an excuse culture at the club that meant 4th became a trophy and good enough
Never was this more realised than after the Eduardo injury he spoke of how 4 points clear at the top Arsenal were not going to be able to be lifted as they were very down
Not
“ we got a point on a difficult day, we go again”
I wanted Wenger gone because he had seen what he had now and it was never going to be good enough again.
Just participating is not good enough
We should be competing to win and setting up sides in the best way to do so
Was that losing leads at Chelsea and United in that 07/08 season plus the champions league at Liverpool?
A naivety that continued in games like Monaco
A pragmatist learns from mistakes
He refused to and I believe later was unable to
If wenger wanted more ambition from the Board why didn’t he quit?
He was as comfortable taking the shilling as the board were in getting the champions league money.
Not good enough for a fan who wants us trying to win the lot
The Neutrals like watching us play
Arghh that’s nice......
Couldn’t give a f**k what the neutrals think
We are in the business of. Winning trophies
If we do it playing well that’s a bonus
But winning is everything
Wenger had a fantastic team in the Champions league and failed to utelise it properly
Messi and Ronaldo?
Utter puffery thrown out as spin
Pay and players will come and play
At a great club in a major city in the world
They didn’t
We didn’t
Tell us less show us more
Wenger still gets mentioned because as sure as eggs are eggs( happy Easter by the way) the careful what you wish for brigade would always harp back to him.
I wanted better
Still do
Always will

starmandb wrote:I dont accept that I will never see a better side than we saw under wenger
How can I believe that when I saw Arsenal’s 70/71 side and our 2001/02 side bettered?
Global franchise
What does that mean?
Only one Arsenal
The one that wenger arrived at was only behind Liverpool as the most decorated club in the country
We were on the map globally
From my first days of going it was always in the programme how we were welcoming such and such fanclub from somewhere in the world.
Arsenal was wenger?
What an insult to you,I & anyone that ever had a care for this club
Wenger was a great chapter of this club’s history but unlike us was paid to do so
I don’t doubt his affection but I believe his desire to do everything rather than delegate well ended up very damaging
In fact his nose was put out of joint when he had keown helping defence wise during our run to the champions league final and he was jettisoned
Are people unequivocally backing Arteta?
Of course 10th is not good enough but does not moaning about every aspect of the club mean you are happy with his management?
To say Wenger never complained is a joke
His excuse mongery regarding tiredness, refereeing, pitches engendered an excuse culture at the club that meant 4th became a trophy and good enough
Never was this more realised than after the Eduardo injury he spoke of how 4 points clear at the top Arsenal were not going to be able to be lifted as they were very down
Not
“ we got a point on a difficult day, we go again”
I wanted Wenger gone because he had seen what he had now and it was never going to be good enough again.
Just participating is not good enough
We should be competing to win and setting up sides in the best way to do so
Was that losing leads at Chelsea and United in that 07/08 season plus the champions league at Liverpool?
A naivety that continued in games like Monaco
A pragmatist learns from mistakes
He refused to and I believe later was unable to
If wenger wanted more ambition from the Board why didn’t he quit?
He was as comfortable taking the shilling as the board were in getting the champions league money.
Not good enough for a fan who wants us trying to win the lot
The Neutrals like watching us play
Arghh that’s nice......
Couldn’t give a f**k what the neutrals think
We are in the business of. Winning trophies
If we do it playing well that’s a bonus
But winning is everything
Wenger had a fantastic team in the Champions league and failed to utelise it properly
Messi and Ronaldo?
Utter puffery thrown out as spin
Pay and players will come and play
At a great club in a major city in the world
They didn’t
We didn’t
Tell us less show us more
Wenger still gets mentioned because as sure as eggs are eggs( happy Easter by the way) the careful what you wish for brigade would always harp back to him.
I wanted better
Still do
Always will

Özim wrote:

Santi wrote:

jayramfootball wrote:

Santi wrote:

jayramfootball wrote:We could play any system we could care to imagine and we'd end up in the same place, simply because the players are not good enough.
It's way past time to just accept that fact.
We put a gloss on players ability because they play for us.
The number of times I hear, "we must be able to do better if Leicester can be in the top 4", or "our player are better than theirs". The problem is our players are not better than the Leicester players, or the West Ham players, or the Everton players and certainly not the City, Chelsea, Utd, Liverpool players.

Completely agree. One or two players can get carried by a system but when you have so many inconsistent players with bad attitude then it's always going to be tough.

Santi - this is the train Arteta missed. From day 1 he must have known that 90% of the players were not good enough for Arsenal.
Instead of the revolution in terms of player replacements that was obviously needed, Arteta went for evolution. Huge mistake and one he can't correct now. It's too late.

How did he miss it? He’s had 1 window to actually spend any significant sum of money and that was with COVID impact in which we still managed to have a decent window.

Can’t change a squad of 25 inside a year.

His job is to get the best out of what he has, he’s brought in a fair few players and already yet we’re worse than we’ve ever been.

You make so many excuses for the guy, a guy who by the way has never shown he’s actually capable of being a decent manager.

In the end he sets the tactics, picks the teams (and often picks the wrong players), motivates the players etc and yet we’re 10th in the league, he’s also shown to be worse than Emery who had an inferior squad.

This support for Arteta is a joke, he hasn’t earnt it, doesn’t deserve it and is an average manager at best, this guy WILL NOT lead us to where we should be, he’ll just keep us as a bunch of midtable nobodies which some fans seem to be happy to accept.

Get rid of him and find someone decent, someone who is actually based on tangible results and not unsubstantiated hype.

Power n Glory wrote:

starmandb wrote:I dont accept that I will never see a better side than we saw under wenger
How can I believe that when I saw Arsenal’s 70/71 side and our 2001/02 side bettered?
Global franchise
What does that mean?
Only one Arsenal
The one that wenger arrived at was only behind Liverpool as the most decorated club in the country
We were on the map globally
From my first days of going it was always in the programme how we were welcoming such and such fanclub from somewhere in the world.
Arsenal was wenger?
What an insult to you,I & anyone that ever had a care for this club
Wenger was a great chapter of this club’s history but unlike us was paid to do so
I don’t doubt his affection but I believe his desire to do everything rather than delegate well ended up very damaging
In fact his nose was put out of joint when he had keown helping defence wise during our run to the champions league final and he was jettisoned
Are people unequivocally backing Arteta?
Of course 10th is not good enough but does not moaning about every aspect of the club mean you are happy with his management?
To say Wenger never complained is a joke
His excuse mongery regarding tiredness, refereeing, pitches engendered an excuse culture at the club that meant 4th became a trophy and good enough
Never was this more realised than after the Eduardo injury he spoke of how 4 points clear at the top Arsenal were not going to be able to be lifted as they were very down
Not
“ we got a point on a difficult day, we go again”
I wanted Wenger gone because he had seen what he had now and it was never going to be good enough again.
Just participating is not good enough
We should be competing to win and setting up sides in the best way to do so
Was that losing leads at Chelsea and United in that 07/08 season plus the champions league at Liverpool?
A naivety that continued in games like Monaco
A pragmatist learns from mistakes
He refused to and I believe later was unable to
If wenger wanted more ambition from the Board why didn’t he quit?
He was as comfortable taking the shilling as the board were in getting the champions league money.
Not good enough for a fan who wants us trying to win the lot
The Neutrals like watching us play
Arghh that’s nice......
Couldn’t give a f**k what the neutrals think
We are in the business of. Winning trophies
If we do it playing well that’s a bonus
But winning is everything
Wenger had a fantastic team in the Champions league and failed to utelise it properly
Messi and Ronaldo?
Utter puffery thrown out as spin
Pay and players will come and play
At a great club in a major city in the world
They didn’t
We didn’t
Tell us less show us more
Wenger still gets mentioned because as sure as eggs are eggs( happy Easter by the way) the careful what you wish for brigade would always harp back to him.
I wanted better
Still do
Always will

Good response.

Power n Glory wrote:
West Ham and Villa were close to relegation last season. Everton were near the bottom as well, changed manager but still only managed a mid table finish. Leeds weren't even in the Premier League last season but are somehow level on points with us whilst the other clubs I mentioned are above us. How is that they've been able to make bigger strides in progress in one window yet we can't?

theHotHead wrote:

Power n Glory wrote:
West Ham and Villa were close to relegation last season. Everton were near the bottom as well, changed manager but still only managed a mid table finish. Leeds weren't even in the Premier League last season but are somehow level on points with us whilst the other clubs I mentioned are above us. How is that they've been able to make bigger strides in progress in one window yet we can't?

Exactly this!! Those teams had a worse starting position than Arteta did and yet thwir teams are performing more consistently than us and are higher up the table than us. It is nonsense to suggest Arteta needs his own players, others have made do with the players they have because they are better managers than Arteta is.

Power n Glory wrote:

starmandb wrote:I dont accept that I will never see a better side than we saw under wenger
How can I believe that when I saw Arsenal’s 70/71 side and our 2001/02 side bettered?
Global franchise
What does that mean?
Only one Arsenal
The one that wenger arrived at was only behind Liverpool as the most decorated club in the country
We were on the map globally
From my first days of going it was always in the programme how we were welcoming such and such fanclub from somewhere in the world.
Arsenal was wenger?
What an insult to you,I & anyone that ever had a care for this club
Wenger was a great chapter of this club’s history but unlike us was paid to do so
I don’t doubt his affection but I believe his desire to do everything rather than delegate well ended up very damaging
In fact his nose was put out of joint when he had keown helping defence wise during our run to the champions league final and he was jettisoned
Are people unequivocally backing Arteta?
Of course 10th is not good enough but does not moaning about every aspect of the club mean you are happy with his management?
To say Wenger never complained is a joke
His excuse mongery regarding tiredness, refereeing, pitches engendered an excuse culture at the club that meant 4th became a trophy and good enough
Never was this more realised than after the Eduardo injury he spoke of how 4 points clear at the top Arsenal were not going to be able to be lifted as they were very down
Not
“ we got a point on a difficult day, we go again”
I wanted Wenger gone because he had seen what he had now and it was never going to be good enough again.
Just participating is not good enough
We should be competing to win and setting up sides in the best way to do so
Was that losing leads at Chelsea and United in that 07/08 season plus the champions league at Liverpool?
A naivety that continued in games like Monaco
A pragmatist learns from mistakes
He refused to and I believe later was unable to
If wenger wanted more ambition from the Board why didn’t he quit?
He was as comfortable taking the shilling as the board were in getting the champions league money.
Not good enough for a fan who wants us trying to win the lot
The Neutrals like watching us play
Arghh that’s nice......
Couldn’t give a f**k what the neutrals think
We are in the business of. Winning trophies
If we do it playing well that’s a bonus
But winning is everything
Wenger had a fantastic team in the Champions league and failed to utelise it properly
Messi and Ronaldo?
Utter puffery thrown out as spin
Pay and players will come and play
At a great club in a major city in the world
They didn’t
We didn’t
Tell us less show us more
Wenger still gets mentioned because as sure as eggs are eggs( happy Easter by the way) the careful what you wish for brigade would always harp back to him.
I wanted better
Still do
Always will

Good response.

theHotHead wrote:Look where Liverpool are in that table, below us, thats how shit they have been, but they tore us a new one the other day.