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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:13 pm
by Phil71
starmandb wrote:
Angelito wrote:

Somebody please show Arteta this.

There was also a 3-1 home defeat to Aston Villa
A 6-3 defeat at Man City
A 5-1 defeat at Liverpool( watch it? He scored in it)
And a 6-0 defeat at Chelsea


I'm sure we knocked the ball around beautifully in all of those games though.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:06 pm
by aniym
The only Wengerball highlight reelI enjoy watching is the season review of our 2007/08 season, even though it ended in tragedy. Wenger was put to the test with a bunch of kids, no budget and no Henry and produced solid PL and CL football.

2013/14 Wengerball highlights? Don't make me laugh. It's the difference between watching a supercut of Giroud's best goals vs watching him play for 90 minutes.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:13 am
by DiamondGooner
starmandb wrote:
Angelito wrote:

Somebody please show Arteta this.

There was also a 3-1 home defeat to Aston Villa
A 6-3 defeat at Man City
A 5-1 defeat at Liverpool( watch it? He scored in it)
And a 6-0 defeat at Chelsea


............ there it is.

Also that was Wengerball, that was his philosophy.

Its not Arteta's and its wasn't Emery's.

Arteta says he likes possession football but he doesn't know what he wants because he's a rookie, what I've seen is he is a micro manager who's way more cautious in his core than Wenger or Pep ever was.

He's fighting his idea of football that he's seen and thinks he wants against his base instincts of a cautious defensive, controlling manager.

This was always going to be a problem for someone who's never done the job, he hasn't crafted an identity or a philosophy yet.

He looks happiest going with the 3-4-3 because it suits his own instincts, playing out from the back, deep CM's etc .......... i'd of at least supported him if he gave us an identity, but he keeps losing his nerve after every loss and bouncing between 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 and back round the houses again.

We don't have time for this crap, but that's what we chose, he needs to figure out what he wants soon.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:00 am
by theHotHead
Why does a manager that doesn't like possession football insist on playing out from the back suicidally?

I don't get it. Does he even get it?

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:49 pm
by Interest: waning
He's a weird coach. I back him, but I'm fed up of having head coaches with a flimsy, nothingy football identity.

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:26 pm
by DiamondGooner
theHotHead wrote:Why does a manager that doesn't like possession football insist on playing out from the back suicidally?

I don't get it. Does he even get it?


He does like possession football because he's def a control freak, but unlike Wenger / Pep who do it more for skill / flair purposes, he's more focused on defense and doesn't have the players for quality possession football.

So playing out from the back while being defensive is his forte.

The problem he's having which are rookie issues is he's weighing up "How much possession vs defense?" after every defeat, so he's chopping and changing.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:03 pm
by DiamondGooner
Interest: waning wrote:He's a weird coach. I back him, but I'm fed up of having head coaches with a flimsy, nothingy football identity.

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Agreed.

I rather he picked a style which suits the players at least and ran with it / tweaked it.

He's flapping like a rookie.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:55 pm
by Özim
Who’d have thought employing a nobody with zero experience could turn out like this?

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:05 pm
by Nuggets
Özim wrote:Who’d have thought employing a nobody with zero experience could turn out like this?


Yea make you think doesn't it :rolleyes:

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:08 pm
by theHotHead
He can turn it around, just needs to admit he has made mistakes and rectify them

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:48 pm
by Ach
They just showed a stat of how many points in the first 29 league games between emery and Arteta

How emery is missed.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:07 pm
by Nuggets
Unai Emery - 57 points (all after 29 matches)
Mikel Arteta - 46 points (all after 29 games)
So how is this clown still here?

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:10 pm
by Ach
It's not even close.

Arteta has to walk

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:11 pm
by Nuggets
Taxi for Arteta.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:49 pm
by DiamondGooner
Proud of Arteta for trying the 4-4-1-1.

At least now after a 3-0 win he can consider his options now he's tried most formations.

Now he has to pick one and develop it.

He's tried 3-4-3 / 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1 / 4-4-1-1

Now make one work.