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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:36 am

EliteKiller wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:The next few games are crucial. We need to bounce back It doesn't sound like Arteta will change much in terms of tactics so if we won't see a massive change in tactics we need to see a massive improvement in performance and effectiveness.


The end of the season will be the measuring stick - Arteta was appointed just a month after Mourinho - we spent net 64m last summer compared to Mourinho 97m (but 32m of that was for LoCelso the previous summer) .... so broadly the same investment

If Mourinho ends up a long way in front, and heaven forbid winning a trophy, can Arteta survive if we don't? Maybe he will get another season who knows what Stan will put up with ... but I'm pretty sure our fickle fans will be baying for blood, they've got form.


I would say to monitor Everton and how they're doing. Ancelotti and Arteta were appointed and took charge of their teams the same day. Everton were far behind us and if they end up above us I think it's then fair say Arteta is way behind.

With Spurs, Mourinho took over a team that's better than ours. I think they'll finish in a top 4 position. It would be great if we can keep up with then but I doubt it.

Ugh...just reading that back to myself....it's a clear downgrade we've made. The standards have dropped. I'm rooting for Artea but this was a mistake. Progress will be slow.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:52 am

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swipe right wrote:
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swipe right wrote:Would you accept finishing the season in 11th place?

Would you have sacked Herbert chapman and Bertie mee for finishing lower
Before winning a league and a double the following year?

Bertie Mee got a name made for AFTV.

I’m sorry
I don’t know what that means
Bertie mee had been the club physio
Had no managerial experience
Finished 4th 7th 9th 12th in his first 4 seasons
But the fairs cup win was our first trophy in 17 years.
Mee was my first arsenal manager
70/71 still remains the best home season I have ever seen.
If we went 1-0 up you could put your house on us winning

Nice memory. Glad you’ve had five decades enjoying the Arsenal. Respect.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:26 am

Tottenham were 14th when Jose took over. Hadn't won an away league game since January 2019 and there was player unrest in the squad. One of the reasons why no one wanted Pochettino to go. He had lost the players.

They got rid, Jose comes in and look at them now.

Our decision to not get Jose continues to haunt us
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:18 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
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starmandb wrote:
swipe right wrote:Would you accept finishing the season in 11th place?

Would you have sacked Herbert chapman and Bertie mee for finishing lower
Before winning a league and a double the following year?


There’s always anomalies, this guy has zero experience and isn’t going to be anything special, he’s all hype like most things in football these days.

His man management is terrible, favouritism il-advised, style boring and tactics one dimensional, he won’t even give certain players a chance.

We finished low in the table last season with him, we’re 11th now, that’s terrible given the resources he has at his disposal.

He was a bang average player for us and now he’s a bang average manager as well!


Tell us how you really feel? :biggrin:

The next few games are crucial. We need to bounce back It doesn't sound like Arteta will change much in terms of tactics so if we won't see a massive change in tactics we need to see a massive improvement in performance and effectiveness.


Lol

To be honest it’s well documented I didn’t rate or want the guy here and thought it was a mistake appointing him.

I always said he has no period of grace, he needs to produce something tangible early on. To be honest though he hasn’t for me, the football is terrible and yes our defence is better but it’s totally been at the expense of the attack, there’s no balance, anyone can do that if they basically set out their team to defend and not attack.

We have a very good forward line that looks totally impotent under him, that is some achievement, but what really irritating me about him is his favouritism, it just reminds me of his mentor Wenger, there’s no logic is some of his decisions, he doesn’t like someone so cuts them out or doesn’t play them much, even if it’s not for the best of the team.

The treatment of Saliba is disgraceful to be honest, he wants to play but we stupidly didn’t register him and couldn’t even organiser a loan (how incompetent do we have to be seriously?), then he bring that calamity Mustafi back and even offers him a new contract (really?) we wasted money on Willian who does nothing and is another Arteta favourite and he keeps our record signing who should get a run and does score goals out of the team, he got rid of Guendouzi because of one incident and yet kept Xhaka (another favourite) totally disregarding his behaviour and performance (a disgrace IMO).

He’s decided he doesn’t want Ozil, fair enough but then at least make sure you have another creative player for the team if you do that. He wanted rid of AMN then he performed well and we turned down and offer to keep him and the guy can’t get a game over and even Soares who is rubbish gets a game before he does.

That’s not all either, we struggle for goals all season and he continues to play our most potent threat on the wing and brings in Nketiah who just isn’t up to it to play in the middle, he doesn’t play Laca but asks him to spend all his time chasing players in midfield rather than trying to get goals, you couldn’t make it up!

Does this sound like a guy who know what he’s doing to you, because it doesn’t to me!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:30 pm

I supported Arteta's appointment and I still do. HOWEVER, I am not willing to accept foolishness so will call it out as soon as I see it. Last season was Arteta's period of grace, I expect to see progression, we don't have shit players, I don't accept that argument, I didn't accept it when Emery joined and the squad is even better now.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:51 pm

Özim wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Özim wrote:
starmandb wrote:
swipe right wrote:Would you accept finishing the season in 11th place?

Would you have sacked Herbert chapman and Bertie mee for finishing lower
Before winning a league and a double the following year?


There’s always anomalies, this guy has zero experience and isn’t going to be anything special, he’s all hype like most things in football these days.

His man management is terrible, favouritism il-advised, style boring and tactics one dimensional, he won’t even give certain players a chance.

We finished low in the table last season with him, we’re 11th now, that’s terrible given the resources he has at his disposal.

He was a bang average player for us and now he’s a bang average manager as well!


Tell us how you really feel? :biggrin:

The next few games are crucial. We need to bounce back It doesn't sound like Arteta will change much in terms of tactics so if we won't see a massive change in tactics we need to see a massive improvement in performance and effectiveness.


Lol

To be honest it’s well documented I didn’t rate or want the guy here and thought it was a mistake appointing him.

I always said he has no period of grace, he needs to produce something tangible early on. To be honest though he hasn’t for me, the football is terrible and yes our defence is better but it’s totally been at the expense of the attack, there’s no balance, anyone can do that if they basically set out their team to defend and not attack.

We have a very good forward line that looks totally impotent under him, that is some achievement, but what really irritating me about him is his favouritism, it just reminds me of his mentor Wenger, there’s no logic is some of his decisions, he doesn’t like someone so cuts them out or doesn’t play them much, even if it’s not for the best of the team.

The treatment of Saliba is disgraceful to be honest, he wants to play but we stupidly didn’t register him and couldn’t even organiser a loan (how incompetent do we have to be seriously?), then he bring that calamity Mustafi back and even offers him a new contract (really?) we wasted money on Willian who does nothing and is another Arteta favourite and he keeps our record signing who should get a run and does score goals out of the team, he got rid of Guendouzi because of one incident and yet kept Xhaka (another favourite) totally disregarding his behaviour and performance (a disgrace IMO).

He’s decided he doesn’t want Ozil, fair enough but then at least make sure you have another creative player for the team if you do that. He wanted rid of AMN then he performed well and we turned down and offer to keep him and the guy can’t get a game over and even Soares who is rubbish gets a game before he does.

That’s not all either, we struggle for goals all season and he continues to play our most potent threat on the wing and brings in Nketiah who just isn’t up to it to play in the middle, he doesn’t play Laca but asks him to spend all his time chasing players in midfield rather than trying to get goals, you couldn’t make it up!

Does this sound like a guy who know what he’s doing to you, because it doesn’t to me!


Some valid points and no argument from me because I have the same concerns when looking at some of these decisions. I think he's proven he can command respect and organise a team. I guess that's the bare minimum that I didn't think he'd be capable of when he joined.

He has to now show he can fix the issues we're seeing and not fall out of the title race within the first few months of the season. I think I may have set the bar low just because we have a new manager that hasn't coached before. Also, if we didn't win the FA Cup I wouldn't be so optimistic.

As said, next few games are crucial. It's a major test for him.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 am

Ach wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55023525

Lol what's he going to do?


If it’s one of his favourites tell them they shouldn’t have done it but that it’s ok because they’ve got their own things going on so not to worry and the play them the following game and every game thereafter!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:04 am

He is hardly gonna hit them with "everyone stays at training until someone owns up to it", he will never find out who did it.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:00 pm

Surprising the amount of issues we’re having under Arteta, there was Ozil, Guendouzi, now Willian and Ceballos and Luiz, someone who’s telling the press everything and the weird Saliba situation too!

Don’t think anything like this has happened under any other manager, something isn’t right.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:18 pm

Özim wrote:Surprising the amount of issues we’re having under Arteta, there was Ozil, Guendouzi, now Willian and Ceballos and Luiz, someone who’s telling the press everything and the weird Saliba situation too!

Don’t think anything like this has happened under any other manager, something isn’t right.


You can't pin every incident on the manager ffs.

If anything we put too much on the manager, a team has 11 players on the pitch, everyone needs to be accountable.

Spats between Ceballos is because he's competitive in training, we saw that with the Nketiah argument.

Ozil's been causing problems since Emery, Guendouzi is a tw*t, Willian is coming to the end of his career and tbh even from his comments about how we play here I don't think he's 100% committed, he came here for a pay check and it was a bad decision on our part to have him, honestly starting to prefer Reiss Nelson to Willian.

Saliba is what it is, the guy is obviously not ready otherwise why wouldn't Arteta be playing him?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:11 pm

You can’t excuse him of all these things, he’s the manager and these issues have arisen since he arrived, they didn’t happen before so it’s down to him.

Player spats could be because of his demands. Arteta wanted Willian and plays the guy almost every match, again down to him, he has other options but chooses not to play them, if he plays him tomorrow however he’s gonna to look terrible.

As for Saliba, Arteta says he’s not ready, but to be honest the guy doesn’t have a clue he wanted to resign Mustafi, rates Xhaka and wanted Luiz to stay , plus results are sketchy so I have zero faith in him.

Plus Fofana at Leicester is the same age, played in the same time in France and has been great at Leicester, the decision is a joke tbh.

If can’t manage his own players properly it’s down to him, shouldn’t come as a big surprise though as he’s never managed before.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:43 pm

Coming apart at the seems. As the loses mount, it’ll get worse for him.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Santi » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:53 pm

early shine has worn off tb, now it's about winning on a regular basis, not just the promise of little improvements here and there.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Angelito » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:55 pm

Well, Ozim is right in a way.

We've had way too many personnel issues since Arteta has come in. Under Emery, it was only Ozil. He lost the dressing room at the end but that was a result of his style and approach.
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