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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:04 am

He is hardly gonna hit them with "everyone stays at training until someone owns up to it", he will never find out who did it.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:00 pm

Surprising the amount of issues we’re having under Arteta, there was Ozil, Guendouzi, now Willian and Ceballos and Luiz, someone who’s telling the press everything and the weird Saliba situation too!

Don’t think anything like this has happened under any other manager, something isn’t right.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:18 pm

Özim wrote:Surprising the amount of issues we’re having under Arteta, there was Ozil, Guendouzi, now Willian and Ceballos and Luiz, someone who’s telling the press everything and the weird Saliba situation too!

Don’t think anything like this has happened under any other manager, something isn’t right.


You can't pin every incident on the manager ffs.

If anything we put too much on the manager, a team has 11 players on the pitch, everyone needs to be accountable.

Spats between Ceballos is because he's competitive in training, we saw that with the Nketiah argument.

Ozil's been causing problems since Emery, Guendouzi is a tw*t, Willian is coming to the end of his career and tbh even from his comments about how we play here I don't think he's 100% committed, he came here for a pay check and it was a bad decision on our part to have him, honestly starting to prefer Reiss Nelson to Willian.

Saliba is what it is, the guy is obviously not ready otherwise why wouldn't Arteta be playing him?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:11 pm

You can’t excuse him of all these things, he’s the manager and these issues have arisen since he arrived, they didn’t happen before so it’s down to him.

Player spats could be because of his demands. Arteta wanted Willian and plays the guy almost every match, again down to him, he has other options but chooses not to play them, if he plays him tomorrow however he’s gonna to look terrible.

As for Saliba, Arteta says he’s not ready, but to be honest the guy doesn’t have a clue he wanted to resign Mustafi, rates Xhaka and wanted Luiz to stay , plus results are sketchy so I have zero faith in him.

Plus Fofana at Leicester is the same age, played in the same time in France and has been great at Leicester, the decision is a joke tbh.

If can’t manage his own players properly it’s down to him, shouldn’t come as a big surprise though as he’s never managed before.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:43 pm

Coming apart at the seems. As the loses mount, it’ll get worse for him.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Santi » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:53 pm

early shine has worn off tb, now it's about winning on a regular basis, not just the promise of little improvements here and there.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Angelito » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:55 pm

Well, Ozim is right in a way.

We've had way too many personnel issues since Arteta has come in. Under Emery, it was only Ozil. He lost the dressing room at the end but that was a result of his style and approach.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:41 pm

Özim wrote:You can’t excuse him of all these things, he’s the manager and these issues have arisen since he arrived, they didn’t happen before so it’s down to him.


Emery had the juiniors insulting and making fun of him then he had an out and out mutiny.

I think that's worse.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Angelito » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:52 pm

^ Emery isn't the yardstick though.

Arteta and Freddie couldn't work with one another either. So much so that Freddie was up in the stands watching our games.

Arsenal folks don't expect a title challenge. The Kroenke's probably expect a direct Europa League qualification right now. The long-term goal of Arsenal directors and the board is to become a top-4 regular again.

We have more money to spend these days, so they'd expect a run similar to Wenger's from 13/14 until 16/17.

If Arteta finished 2nd—lagging 10 points behind winners Spurs, people would be elated this season. That's how low the expectations are. Heck, if Spurs lost 2-0 to City, we'd have some of our fans bragging about our 1-0 loss to them as opposed to Spurs' 2-0 loss at home.

Emery had to bear far more pressure than Arteta ever has thus far. If we look at the shortcomings of Arteta until now, from a neutral standpoint:

    - Worst creative stats for over two decades;
    - Man-management issues and favoritism;
    - Poorest performing side in the past 5 years despite having a better squad;
    - A defensive, rigid style of playing; boring football;
    - Lack of faith in youngsters.

In addition, Arteta would, in no way, put faith on a 19-year-old prodigy and build a team around him, whilst playing the best football in Europe. Yet, 90% of the Gooners—including yours truly—are patient enough to support him right now.

My barometer for every Arsenal manager is 16/17 in terms of results. If we lose out on top-4 by a hair, in a record fashion, it's all fine. If we can win a trophy doing so, that's so much the better. But if we appear clueless because of some warped notion of how an ex Assistant Manager at the richest club in the world deems football should be played, I would have a problem with that.

We had a chance to sign Conte, we opted for Emery. We had a chance to sign Pochettino, we opted for Arteta. There's no leverage but, yet, still, we are giving him ample leverage.

We can hope.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:30 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Özim wrote:You can’t excuse him of all these things, he’s the manager and these issues have arisen since he arrived, they didn’t happen before so it’s down to him.


Emery had the juiniors insulting and making fun of him then he had an out and out mutiny.

I think that's worse.


Emery lost his job as well.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:53 pm

Arteta has already proven himself to be an authoritarian manager, but even worse that that, he turns his bullying on and off depending on who his favourites are.
Now he's spouting his mouth off about finding and punishing the source the of the leak - the person or people who spoke about Ceballos and Luiz having a bust up. These are two of his favourite players - they can do anything and get away with it.
Our manager is more concerned about retribution for the person who leaked and having them suffer 'consequences'.

What an utter shit Arteta is turning out to be.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... d-incident

No way he keeps the dressing room or the fans onside with his little man syndrome behaviour.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:20 pm

The guy should be more concerned about his players fighting and dealing with that than finding the source of the leak anyway, if nothing happens there’s nothing to leak!

This guy does not have a clue, the tide will turn against him very quickly if he keeps going like this, he’s not in his cushy job at City putting out the cones and getting credit for Guardiola’s success anymore!

Meanwhile Mourinho’s Spurs are beating City 2-0 (and about to go top) against the side who had players out left right and centre whom we most of the game camped in our own half against and then lost.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Alexis » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:07 pm

Özim wrote:The guy should be more concerned about his players fighting and dealing with that than finding the source of the leak anyway, if nothing happens there’s nothing to leak!

This guy does not have a clue, the tide will turn against him very quickly if he keeps going like this, he’s not in his cushy job at City putting out the cones and getting credit for Guardiola’s success anymore!

Meanwhile Mourinho’s Spurs are beating City 2-0 (and about to go top) against the side who had players out left right and centre whom we most of the game camped in our own half against and then lost.


lol mou parked the bus and hit them on the counter. no different.

i dont know why you are bringing up the city game, that should have been at minimum a draw as walker handled the ball in their box and that type of penalties has been given about 100 times before but the fukwits decided against it. you can't blame that on arteta. also spurs are just on a mini run, once kane breaks down it will all fall apart again.

also i dont get why folk are talkin some absolute garbage. we in the midst of a shit season, as long as he can get some kind of identity and playstyle sorted, the results should start to pick up. End of next season would be the perfect time to analyse him and see whether its worth continuing or changing it up.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Mike Dean » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:11 pm

Spurs brought in Mourinho. They are looking like title contenders.

We brought in Arteta. We look like mid table fodders.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Özim » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:40 pm

Alexis wrote:
Özim wrote:The guy should be more concerned about his players fighting and dealing with that than finding the source of the leak anyway, if nothing happens there’s nothing to leak!

This guy does not have a clue, the tide will turn against him very quickly if he keeps going like this, he’s not in his cushy job at City putting out the cones and getting credit for Guardiola’s success anymore!

Meanwhile Mourinho’s Spurs are beating City 2-0 (and about to go top) against the side who had players out left right and centre whom we most of the game camped in our own half against and then lost.


lol mou parked the bus and hit them on the counter. no different.

i dont know why you are bringing up the city game, that should have been at minimum a draw as walker handled the ball in their box and that type of penalties has been given about 100 times before but the fukwits decided against it. you can't blame that on arteta. also spurs are just on a mini run, once kane breaks down it will all fall apart again.

also i dont get why folk are talkin some absolute garbage. we in the midst of a shit season, as long as he can get some kind of identity and playstyle sorted, the results should start to pick up. End of next season would be the perfect time to analyse him and see whether its worth continuing or changing it up.


Wrong tactically it was great, he beat them with tactics and not just one tactic used for everyone a tactic that fits the opposition.

I blame Arteta because Man City had most of the big guns out and yet we just parked the bus and then deservedly lost, it’s Arteta one and only tactic and that’s not management!

He’s been in charge of the season if it’s a rubbish season it’s 100% down to him, right now the style is awful and results poor too, he parks the bus and sacrifices our attack which is very potent for defence, Aubameyang and Laca have had less shots on goal than Maguire this season and Aubameyang didn’t have a shot last match, it’s ridiculous.

Now we’ve got issues with player discipline left, right and centre as well on top of that!
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