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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Jedi » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:32 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
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Tony Adams wrote:Problem is, his biggest job is undoing Wenger's bad work and he's calling Wenger for advice on how to do it!


He had his failings, and I've criticised him for them, but to imply that the downturn in the club's fortunes in his latter years was all down to him is completely wrong.

To think we gave him pelters for a consistent top four finish and the occasional trophy, and how we would all see that now, under any different manager, as a success to celebrate.


He was in charge when we dropped out of the top four and we were on a downward spiral. When he had full control of everything at the club he got a lot wrong from the way we defend, to the players we signed and to the mentality on the pitch. We slipped further and further away from the top.

We need to change the 'losing but playing good football is ok' abd '4th place is all we can aim for'' mentality. Will our mentality change if Arteta is regularly asking Wenger for advice?


Wenger is a successful football manager with huge experience, a very intelligent man, and no doubt a friend.

Why would he not seek his advice?
I understand why he would, it just worries me that Wenger might not be the best person to advise on how to 'un-Wenger' our performances. Especially when it comes to organising the defence and all those sideways passes just to keep possession.

Has he spoken to George Graham? Why not ask him how to sort the defence out?
What's going on now is nothing like what was going on under Wenger.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Rayyo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm

wenger is completely at fault for everything we are seeing now.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:58 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
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jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:Problem is, his biggest job is undoing Wenger's bad work and he's calling Wenger for advice on how to do it!


He had his failings, and I've criticised him for them, but to imply that the downturn in the club's fortunes in his latter years was all down to him is completely wrong.

To think we gave him pelters for a consistent top four finish and the occasional trophy, and how we would all see that now, under any different manager, as a success to celebrate.


He set the tone, quite a few of his players remain here, we’ve been stuck with them on fact, Mustafi, Xhaka, Ozil, Kolasinac. He also brought in this complacent attitude that we still see today (and which Arteta encourages as well IMO, but then he did learn under Wenger).


No, our culture at the club was built by Wenger. Brick by brick.
Kroenke didn't choose any of the players you mentioned - or any other player.
Do you attribiute all the successes to Kroenke too?
Kroenke has been the majority shareholder since 2007.
All 3 FA Cups are down to him?
How about Aubameyangs golden boot last year - Kroenke's achievement? Whilst Aubameyang had to score 22 times of course, ultimately it was down to Kroenke and he should take the credit. That's your argument.

If we win today? Kroenke's achievement?


Kroenke is the one that kept Wenger on. Yes if the club is successful he has to take credit, just as Abramovic does being the person that puts the jigsaw together to deliver success.

I don’t consider the cup wins success personally, they’re consolation prizes, nice in addition to other trophies but as a stand-alone trophy not that amazing these days, so no real credit required for that, it’s been 15 years of failure under him. If we won the league or CL then yes you’d have to give him credit for getting the right people in a facilitating success, no chance of that though as he does neither.

Now you’re getting ridiculous re the golden boot, that’s a personal achievement by a player.

You can probably ask fans from his American franchises if they think he’s a good owner, the general view seems to be not from what some say.


Hang on... Auba was signed by Wenger, who was kept on by Kroenke. Why is Auba's golden boot not Kroenke's achievement according to your logic?
You can't have it both ways.

An FA Cup win is a consolation prize??? Now you are just spinning any old rubbish to support your failed argument.


Goals by a player are a personal achievement, not a clubs achievement.

Point stands.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Rayyo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:30 pm

arteta has beaten pep, klopp, lampard, nuno and ole in his first few months of management
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Marsbar100 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:30 pm

But but no improvements
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Tony Adams » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:35 pm

Arteta In!!!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:36 pm

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Marsbar100 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:37 pm

He deserves manager of the season, a miracle what he has done after inheriting Emery's horror show.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Sims » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:39 pm

BOW DOWN U STUPID c****

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby themessiah » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:40 pm

After an abysmal start to the season, Arteta came in and led us back to Europe! COYG!!

Worst Arsenal team ever. Still collect a trophy. DON MIKEL

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Johnf » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:40 pm

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:41 pm

themessiah wrote:After an abysmal start to the season, Arteta came in and led us back to Europe! COYG!!

Worst Arsenal team ever. Still collect a trophy. DON MIKEL

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:43 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
themessiah wrote:After an abysmal start to the season, Arteta came in and led us back to Europe! COYG!!

Worst Arsenal team ever. Still collect a trophy. DON MIKEL

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:46 pm

Silverware........ First season.

Can't ask for much more given the trials left over from Emery.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby VCC » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:46 pm

Gaffa has a cup first season well done that man,
I like the way they are now playing into chanels using our pace, should have happened years ago.
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