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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby VCC » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:53 am

Arteta needs to remain open with the fans, his comments around the void of difference are good for all concerned. I like that it shows should he be the fall guy, it will be a transparent experience in relation to how much assistance he is given from the club.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Dejan » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:34 am

Good interview tbh

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Losmeister » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:13 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:Liverpool had 69 per cent possession, 24 shots to Arsenal's 3, our first win against Liverpool since April 2015.

We obivously did something right.

Tbf this (with less shot attempts) is how we lose a lot of games to lesser teams, the Spurs loss being the most recent.

Defend well and take their chances is usually what gets done against us so despite some in the match day thread saying things like "We played crap" i disagree, we played like a lesser team trying to beat a better team without getting torn to shreds in the process.


this. tierney and saka and soares were very cautious and seemed determined not to be gotten behind....

amn recovered decently on that peach of a thru ball for sane...
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Arteta concerned about the transfer funds, probably not use to not having endless money and not being able to buy the worlds best players if you feel like it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53425833
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:09 pm

VCC wrote:Arteta needs to remain open with the fans, his comments around the void of difference are good for all concerned. I like that it shows should he be the fall guy, it will be a transparent experience in relation to how much assistance he is given from the club.


I agree but the problem is ........... how long before he's called into the office and had a word with?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:20 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
VCC wrote:Arteta needs to remain open with the fans, his comments around the void of difference are good for all concerned. I like that it shows should he be the fall guy, it will be a transparent experience in relation to how much assistance he is given from the club.


I agree but the problem is ........... how long before he's called into the office and had a word with?


They should call him now and have a word with him about his lineups and style of play and to remind him he isn’t Wenger.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:41 pm

Özim wrote:
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VCC wrote:Arteta needs to remain open with the fans, his comments around the void of difference are good for all concerned. I like that it shows should he be the fall guy, it will be a transparent experience in relation to how much assistance he is given from the club.


I agree but the problem is ........... how long before he's called into the office and had a word with?


They should call him now and have a word with him about his lineups and style of play and to remind him he isn’t Wenger.


Arteta doesn't set up the team to play anything like Wenger ball.

He came into the job saying he wanted to play a Wenger / City style of play with possession in a 4-2-3-1.

But that's all changed, he's now playing a 3-4-3 and we even abandoned the possession play against Liverpool.

Wenger ball was having lots of skilled midfielders basically playing tikka takka passing in a 5 man midfield, Arteta if anything is relying on a playing out from the back using his 3 CB's.

Under Wenger our defenders never held onto the ball for so long, they just shifted it to the 5 man midfield and let them pass the ball around.

Arteta's game plan is 3-4-3 so we can play out from the back (without getting run over like we were with 2 CB's), high press from the front 3, possession & passing if we can, go forward using width provided by the Wingbacks.

Wenger never did most of that, he played a 4-5-1, didn't really bother enforcing a high press or let the defenders play out from the back any where near as much, he swamped midfield with 5 mids so they could retain possession and pass teams to death.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Angelito » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:50 pm

Özim wrote:Arteta concerned about the transfer funds, probably not use to not having endless money and not being able to buy the worlds best players if you feel like it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53425833


I don't remember him managing a side before Arsenal.

What he said is exactly what any manager/coach should say if they're managing a biggie like Arsenal.

No manager can do anything worthwhile without having some fine players.

So this passive-aggressive swipe at Arteta for Pep's adventures is petty.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby aniym » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:02 pm

Arteta sees the writing on the wall;

- City pulled an OJ and Pep will likely spend 150-200m next season
- Utd will spend big as always
- Chelsea have bought big players and will likely get Havertz too
- Liverpool is a question mark for now, but still have a top team

As shit as our results have been, we will slide further down without significant improvements. People are getting hyped about a bunch of kids (Saka, Saliba, Martinelli), but kids don't win anything.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby ag6789 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:55 pm

"You can win nothing with the kids"- Sir Alex changed all that sometime back.
Arsenal have a very potent forward line.
If they can get couple of good midfielders and get rid of poor performers, there's plenty of hope in near future.
As per Football.London and Mirror, Silent Stan is planning cash injection to revive our fortunes.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:14 pm

Angelito wrote:
Özim wrote:Arteta concerned about the transfer funds, probably not use to not having endless money and not being able to buy the worlds best players if you feel like it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53425833


I don't remember him managing a side before Arsenal.

What he said is exactly what any manager/coach should say if they're managing a biggie like Arsenal.

No manager can do anything worthwhile without having some fine players.

So this passive-aggressive swipe at Arteta for Pep's adventures is petty.


No but he put out the cones at a club that spends megabucks on any player they want to buy!

I don’t trust him with money anyhow, this is the same guy that rates Luiz, Mustafi and Xhaka and doesn’t play Martinelli and Torreira much.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:21 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Özim wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
VCC wrote:Arteta needs to remain open with the fans, his comments around the void of difference are good for all concerned. I like that it shows should he be the fall guy, it will be a transparent experience in relation to how much assistance he is given from the club.


I agree but the problem is ........... how long before he's called into the office and had a word with?


They should call him now and have a word with him about his lineups and style of play and to remind him he isn’t Wenger.


Arteta doesn't set up the team to play anything like Wenger ball.

He came into the job saying he wanted to play a Wenger / City style of play with possession in a 4-2-3-1.

But that's all changed, he's now playing a 3-4-3 and we even abandoned the possession play against Liverpool.

Wenger ball was having lots of skilled midfielders basically playing tikka takka passing in a 5 man midfield, Arteta if anything is relying on a playing out from the back using his 3 CB's.

Under Wenger our defenders never held onto the ball for so long, they just shifted it to the 5 man midfield and let them pass the ball around.

Arteta's game plan is 3-4-3 so we can play out from the back (without getting run over like we were with 2 CB's), high press from the front 3, possession & passing if we can, go forward using width provided by the Wingbacks.

Wenger never did most of that, he played a 4-5-1, didn't really bother enforcing a high press or let the defenders play out from the back any where near as much, he swamped midfield with 5 mids so they could retain possession and pass teams to death.


Against Liverpool we barely had the ball as they were too good with it, we have however been playing that slow pass pass football under Arteta, yes he wants us to play out from the back, but then Wenger just wanted players who can pass so it’s not so different. As for the press it’s not a regular thing, it seems to come and go. Either way I don’t rate his brand of football, it’s pretty boring, yesterdays result was really down to luck, Liverpool no longer having the same level of motivation to win and him having picked the backup players because he’s saving his favourites for the FA cup, the only important game we had left which meant something, the North London derby we lost.

Moreover I see a lot of traits in Arteta that Wenger had, he has the same blond spot when it comes to sub standard players for a start.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Jedi » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:28 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:But that's all changed, he's now playing a 3-4-3 and we even abandoned the possession play against Liverpool.

To be fair, Arteta admitted in the post-match conference that they didn't plan to sit back and abandon possession. They simply got dominated by Liverpool.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:31 pm

Jedi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:But that's all changed, he's now playing a 3-4-3 and we even abandoned the possession play against Liverpool.

To be fair, Arteta admitted in the post-match conference that they didn't plan to sit back and abandon possession. They simply got dominated by Liverpool.


Yes spot on, Liverpool we’re far too good, they really schooled us, on another day they’d have won comfortably, if they had something to play for they would have too.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby ag6789 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:08 pm

But 'Pool played their best eleven still lost. Arteta knows his limitations and thus trying to set up the team as needed. He knows his midfielders are not up to scratch, and he doesn't have many options either, so he plays 3-4-3 to stifle the attack. Going toe to toe with a team in top form would be suicidal, so he adopts different tactics to surprise Klopp. Press when least expected, and pounce on the mistakes.
'Pool usually presses hard and gets away by instilling fear into opponents, here , they got a taste of their own medicine, albeit in different proportion.
Arteta also sees potential in players that , us, laymen ignore. Everybody thought Reiss Nelson is rubbish, he forced mistakes on the very best defender and also scored an excellent goal w/the calm and composure of seasoned campaigner.
I see in Arteta a thinking man who under benign circumstances will do a pretty good job. He is also not averse to taking calculated risks. Something to look forward to the next season.
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