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22-0 wrote:bad luck? he got it all wrong vs aston villa with his selection that made us lose the lead over city.

We also started the season with that horrible havertz in midfield formation.. yet he learned nothing from it.

....and that's the difference between good management and poor wannabe management. WTF he thought Havertz would do well in that position cost us big time, obviously, he didn't do his homework on that one. I think now perhaps he has but it's a bit late. He will be here with us next season and I pray that his arrogance doesn't cost us again. We have had a great team all season but he fcuked up managing them.

theHotHead wrote:

22-0 wrote:bad luck? he got it all wrong vs aston villa with his selection that made us lose the lead over city.

We also started the season with that horrible havertz in midfield formation.. yet he learned nothing from it.

Yesh - tell me who is perfect FFS ?!!!

Listen to your agument, you are fuming that he put Havertz back into midfield from CF where he was doing really well, I agree. But its the same manager that bought Havertz that none of us wanted and that all of us bar Jay thought was shit - until he played at CF.

The point I am making is perhaps Arteta saw something/had an idea that he thought would work. Yes he f***ked up, but who is perfect at their job ? I am bloody fantastic at mine ... but I am certainly not perfect.

Or maybe if we’d signed a proper CF (something most were calling for) that would have been better in the first place.

Maybe everyone else saw something he didn’t.

I couldnt be more calm at this stage... i already expected this would happen. i am beyond jaded at this point.

ag6789 wrote:There's no floundering now. We will keep these numbers in the next 4-5 yrs. Young , vibrant group of players ,well drilled and balanced.That's the goal and that's happening. These numbers will get us trophies.

Klopp couldn't keep it up for that long, and he had a better team that won everything. What makes you think we will be different?

theHotHead wrote:

Ach wrote:Seems like some would rather finish 2nd with 89 points than win the title with 78 points.

Finding out who the spuds are on here for sure

Mate your arument makes no damn sense !

If Arteta is getting more points than previous winners of the league how can you be criticising him ??? What am I missing ?

Its pure bad luck that he probably won;t win the league again this season.

No such thing as luck in a 38 game league season. Take it season at a time. He's shown he's not good enough to win it even with 84 and 89* points.

That might have been good enough in other years. Means f all. We need a winner. If we were winning other trophies then I could see the title coming eventually but there is no winning mentality.

I don't want us to be nearly men. I want us to be winners. Records mean little

theHotHead wrote:

Ach wrote:At the start of the season we all wanted trophies. Has anyone ever said we want the club record for most wins?

Most wins record and no trophy is a failure

No record but a trophy? Will take this every time.

Some wouldn't.

Most wins tells us the manager is doing somehting right and if the manager continues to do things right we will win stuff.

We're more likely to drop than improve. Others will come back.

We just went undefeated against the top 6. Record wins. Still can't win the title.

Very unlikely we'll go undefeated again v those clubs.

We need someone who can take us that extra level

We should simply hire a manager that never loses. Why aren't the Kroenke's doing this? Are they stupid?

TedLasso wrote:We should simply hire a manager that never loses. Why aren't the Kroenke's doing this? Are they stupid?

Hire one who can manage defeats and not folds under pressure. And who makes mistakes like all do, but learns from them and doesn't repeat them.

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:

TedLasso wrote:We should simply hire a manager that never loses. Why aren't the Kroenke's doing this? Are they stupid?

Hire one who can manage defeats and not folds under pressure. And who makes mistakes like all do, but learns from them and doesn't repeat them.

Manage defeats? I prefer a manager that can manage wins.

Arteta has defeated all PL managers in last two years. Other than Pep there's none in PL who can manage wins or defeats better than Arteta at this point. Only other manager whose credentials may be better than Arteta is probably Alonso ( employed elsewhere).
I'm keeping Anchelotti out of this ,since his 2nd season at Chelsea was disastrous and his management of Everton was downright mediocre ( 10th).
So, the field is pretty much vacant.

He’s not won anything though.

Pep struggled against the top 6 this season and yet it looks like he’s going to win the title again.

We’re hearing all the excuses for failure to get over the line, most goals, most wins, beaten every manager etc etc

Personally would rather not be concerned about those and have silverware, maybe it’s just me.

theHotHead wrote:

22-0 wrote:bad luck? he got it all wrong vs aston villa with his selection that made us lose the lead over city.

We also started the season with that horrible havertz in midfield formation.. yet he learned nothing from it.

Yesh - tell me who is perfect FFS ?!!!

Listen to your agument, you are fuming that he put Havertz back into midfield from CF where he was doing really well, I agree. But its the same manager that bought Havertz that none of us wanted and that all of us bar Jay thought was shit - until he played at CF.

The point I am making is perhaps Arteta saw something/had an idea that he thought would work. Yes he f***ked up, but who is perfect at their job ? I am bloody fantastic at mine ... but I am certainly not perfect.

You say you don’t like Arteta then spend most of your time on here with your tongue up his arse

He doesn’t have to be perfect, he just has to win trophies, that’s all. So you save it with the straw man bs. Nobody is asking for him to be perfect.

Postecoglou said in his pre match interview then when he walks around the halls there’s no bragging rights trophies, this applies to us as there are no trophies for most goals or most points of best defence.

You only get trophies for being number 1 and beating everyone else, everything else is kinda irrelevant, history doesn’t remember who came 2nd, noone ever goes this team were great remember when they came 2nd twice in a row, what an amazing team.

Losing finalists in the CL final aren’t celebrating after the whistle for getting to the CL final, FA cup finalists aren’t happy when they lose the final.

ag6789 wrote:Arteta has defeated all PL managers in last two years. Other than Pep there's none in PL who can manage wins or defeats better than Arteta at this point. Only other manager whose credentials may be better than Arteta is probably Alonso ( employed elsewhere).
I'm keeping Anchelotti out of this ,since his 2nd season at Chelsea was disastrous and his management of Everton was downright mediocre ( 10th).
So, the field is pretty much vacant.

Ancelotti won the PL with Chelsea, he’s in a different league to Arteta, he’s elite, look at where Everton are without him.

There’s Zidane who IMO is better and has won big prizes.

Inzaghi has won a title and got to a CL final.

Conte has won titles in 3 countries including the PL.

Would have all those ahead of Arteta, I’m sure there’s others too.

We’d never get any of those however, we don’t have the ambition and the owners couldn’t deal with managers with a win at all cost mentality.

Salibatelli wrote:Postecoglou said in his pre match interview then when he walks around the halls there’s no bragging rights trophies, this applies to us as there are no trophies for most goals or most points of best defence.

You only get trophies for being number 1 and beating everyone else, everything else is kinda irrelevant, history doesn’t remember who came 2nd, noone ever goes this team were great remember when they came 2nd twice in a row, what an amazing team.

Losing finalists in the CL final aren’t celebrating after the whistle for getting to the CL final, FA cup finalists aren’t happy when they lose the final.

Absolutely

Too many man babies in our support who think they’re in primary school, arguing with school kids that their club is the bestist. Pathetic.