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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:13 am
by Salibatelli
theHotHead wrote:I said it at the time, the rant was Arteta's frustration at our performance, he used it to cover up our limitations. It was a childish petulant outburst that frankly made him look silly and has inadvertently put more pressure on us.


Yes and you’re spot on, you can see it now.

I could understand the rant at the time more even though it was not advisable, and IMO a bad idea but he also carried on with it after that which made it worse.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:23 am
by Goonerred
Maybe he would have been better talking about our one short on target in the whole of the match.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:45 pm
by jayramfootball
Goonerred wrote:Maybe he would have been better talking about our one short on target in the whole of the match.


Why?
It was an away game against a team who were top 4 last year. We played it tight and shut them down.
We lost a point because of the officials cheating. It was right to call it what it was - a ‘disgrace’

Funnily enough the leading women’s coach just said the same thing and no one batted an eyelid.

The pgmol simply cheated, got called out on it rightly and then proceeded to assemble bought and paid for minions to bleat on their behalf.

More managers need to show Arteta’s courage and put a stop to the corruption.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:08 pm
by VCC
Ball is in Arteta and Arsenal court,
" put up or shut up"

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:54 pm
by swipe right
There is no senior figure at the club that can keep a petulant, young manager in check. Edu will just rubber stamp whatever Arteta says.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:08 pm
by ag6789
All competitive managers get touchline bans for voicing against injustice towards their teams. Includes Klopp, Wenger, DeZerbi and now Arteta. Nothing special really. Been going on for ever. Will come and go.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:22 pm
by swipe right
ag6789 wrote:All competitive managers get touchline bans for voicing against injustice towards their teams. Includes Klopp, Wenger, DeZerbi and now Arteta. Nothing special really. Been going on for ever. Will come and go.

The aforementioned managers win things. Never put Arteta in their elite company.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:41 pm
by Salibatelli
His rant was rather unusual in that he questioned refereeing in general calling it a disgrace etc, whilst rants do happen they are usually directed at the officials on the day, by criticising the whole system he’s now out a target on our back and we’re less likely to get those 50/50 decisions, him doubling down a couple times and the club added my their weight behind it won’t have helped.

On top of that the decision in question was made correctly as there wasn’t the evidence to overrule it and the foul was clearly subjective as you can see from the varying opinions.

So he’s made a fuss about a scenario where they got things correct, not a good look, at least if he’d talked about the Guimaraes arm he might have had a better argument, but then at the same time Havertz should also have been a red so it evens out.

As Jordan said the clubs get to decide the parameters before a season so to complain about processes they wanted is a bit rich.

All in all the only achievement with this was a negative outcome for Arsenal.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:55 am
by theHotHead
ag6789 wrote:All competitive managers get touchline bans for voicing against injustice towards their teams. Includes Klopp, Wenger, DeZerbi and now Arteta. Nothing special really. Been going on for ever. Will come and go.

I hear you, but there are ways of protesting that don't make you look like a fool. We are not the only club to be on the wrong end of decisions, the Newcastle decisions were not shocking or bad in my opinion, so they didn't warrant the level of abuse Arteta gave. Did he kick up this much of a stink to a very clear and obvious error last season, with Toney's goal being allowed to stand because VAR officials didn't draw the lines ??? Thats reason to kick up a fuss, not this.

Pep would've refused to talk about it, he would be that incensed, immediately gets people onside. Imagine if Pep did that rant, everyone and his dog would be calling him an entitled prick, so on and so forth. I think Arteta's actions showed a lack of class. Irrespective of what "some" people on this forum think or say, the Newcastle incident wasn't a clear mistake so didnt need brimstone and fire from Arteta

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:22 am
by Salibatelli
Guardiola just accepts it and credits the opposition he doesn’t generally go on a rant about being hard done by, he knows his side are good enough to overcome any decisions that go against them and knows it works both ways.

If your side is good enough the majority of the time has decisions. make little difference.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:25 am
by Ach
Plenty of things to criticise Arteta about. This isn't one of them. A shocking decision from the officials, you can understand the anger.

We were shit in the match but should've got a point

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:16 pm
by VCC
Ach wrote:Plenty of things to criticise Arteta about. This isn't one of them. A shocking decision from the officials, you can understand the anger.

We were shit in the match but should've got a point

Like said it was the manner and words he used and the club statement fully supported Arteta.
The FA asked for an outlined report of what the club thought was wrong, that was gone over by the FA I beleive.
Now it's time to take the FA to court if they have the balls. Or fkn get on with it.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:43 pm
by ag6789
It will die down soon. They'll patch up behind doors, and all will be forgotten as games come thick and fast.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:41 pm
by TedLasso
200th match in charge this weekend. 115 wins is already the most ever in an Arsenal manager’s first 200.

Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:47 pm
by Ach
Must win game

With top 2 and 4th v 5th happening, we must take full advantage and anything less than a win is catastrophic

No win should mean he doesn't see 201 games