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Jedi wrote:

Tony Adams wrote:

Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.

We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.

Not every manager uses all 3 subs every game and some prefer to go for cohesion rather than erratically making subs as soon as things aren't going your way. For every sub Emery got right, he had another that completely backfired. I don't understand the obsession with team selection most fans have. There's so much more to the tactics than picking the right team/subs (which is all very subjective).

Lets face it, if Fleck doesn't score that insanely unlikely volley, you would have no problem with the subs cause we would have won the game. You also said today that we need a defensive coach, despite us only scoring 30 goals in 23 games. For comparison, City has 64 so far, and this is supposed to be their bad season. Our defense has been shit forever but Emery has done the unthinkable which is making our attack toothless too.

The bigger picture here is that there's no quick fix. This is a team that's in a crisis and needs a serious rebuild come May. Until then we have to settle for positive signs in what will be some embarrassing results.

Tony Adams wrote:

Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.

We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.

Jack The Ripper wrote:Everyone told me that Arteta will be like Pep and has learned everything from Pep.. but I swear in his first 5 prem games with us so far he is exactly like Wenger, nothing like Pepe at all.. it actually is basically Wenger. Subs are exactly the same time, its almost right down to the actual second!!!!!!. Also tactics are Wenger too. I feel like its Wenger

Is Wenger back in disguise??

Tony Adams wrote:Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Sorry, I'm just annoyed at how obvious it was that a club in crisis should not appoint a head coach who has never been a head coach before. They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.

Jack The Ripper wrote:Everyone told me that Arteta will be like Pep and has learned everything from Pep.. but I swear in his first 5 prem games with us so far he is exactly like Wenger, nothing like Pep at all.. it actually is basically Wenger. Subs are exactly the same time, its almost right down to the actual second!!!!!!. Also tactics are Wenger too. I feel like its Wenger

Is Wenger back in disguise??

Tony Adams wrote:Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Tony Adams wrote:They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.

Jedi wrote:Not every manager uses all 3 subs every game and some prefer to go for cohesion rather than erratically making subs as soon as things aren't going your way. For every sub Emery got right, he had another that completely backfired. I don't understand the obsession with team selection most fans have. There's so much more to the tactics than picking the right team/subs (which is all very subjective).

Lets face it, if Fleck doesn't score that insanely unlikely volley, you would have no problem with the subs cause we would have won the game. You also said today that we need a defensive coach, despite us only scoring 30 goals in 23 games. For comparison, City has 64 so far, and this is supposed to be their bad season. Our defense has been shit forever but Emery has done the unthinkable which is making our attack toothless too.

The bigger picture here is that there's no quick fix. This is a team that's in a crisis and needs a serious rebuild come May. Until then we have to settle for positive signs in what will be some embarrassing results.

Jedi wrote:

Tony Adams wrote:Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Didn't we already do this and three people replied, myself included, all with different answers?

Tony Adams wrote:They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.

Why? What difference does it make? It's not like we could challenge for top 4 with a different manager and Europa is always a roll of the dice.

Klopp came to Liverpool a few games into the season, forced to play with Rodgers' players finishing 8th. Look where they are now.

And as far as Wenger comparisons go, when it comes to style, i wouldn't mind a second Wenger at all. In fact, i can only hope Arteta will make us play that kind of football.

Wengers main problem was being too sentimental with certain players and getting old. Arteta doesn't seem to have either of those problems.

Özim wrote:Stop with the comparisons with Klopp, this guy is no Klopp, he was proven had taken Dortmund to the title and to the CL final, what evidence is there that this guy is anything like Klopp, Guardiola or Ferguson, there's isn't, that's just fantasy I'm aftaid.

Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.

Tony Adams wrote:Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Sorry, I'm just annoyed at how obvious it was that a club in crisis should not appoint a head coach who has never been a head coach before. They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.

Tony Adams wrote:Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Sorry, I'm just annoyed at how obvious it was that a club in crisis should not appoint a head coach who has never been a head coach before. They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.

Godlop wrote:

Tony Adams wrote:

Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.

We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.

You can't compare Emery's start with Arteta's

Emery had a whole preseason, a summer transfer window and largely took over a squad from Wenger that still played good football in parts and was a force at home.

Arteta doesn't have any of this because Raul and Emery ruined the only good things left about the squad that Wenger left us with.