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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Nuggets » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:45 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
FARM wrote:Not liking Arteta's subs, he takes wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too long to bring subs on and it seems like he is following what Wenger did to a tee in terms of subs


He a Wenger man. As a player he was little more then useless - very much part of an era where we were declining and as captain he offered nothing on the field. So far he has been a disaster as a manager, moderately less so than Emery.

If you want to understand the type of manager we actually need, given our squad, you only needed to look across to the other bench today.


I tend to agree with you, I think he is out of his depth however, time will tell.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Tony Adams » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:21 pm

Jedi wrote:At least we're finally controlling possession. We just need to work on making more out of it.


Sideways passes on the half way line is not controlling possession ffs. Other teams will do like they did in the Wenger days and just let us have it knowing we'll do f all with it and at some point they'll get a chance to counter against our shite defence.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby elkanofan » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:46 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
Jedi wrote:At least we're finally controlling possession. We just need to work on making more out of it.


Sideways passes on the half way line is not controlling possession ffs. Other teams will do like they did in the Wenger days and just let us have it knowing we'll do f all with it and at some point they'll get a chance to counter against our shite defence.
Difference is wenger always even when we where total shit had attacking mids who could create chances and goals out of nothing with all the possession we had and sideways pass merchants in Denilson and Arteta towards the end.

This team has no good attacking mids who take risks.

The league is the worst it has ever been this season in quality. There are no good teams, liverpool are the best of a rubbish heap. They are hardworking garbage better than pretentious garbage in city and a different galaxy from our deluded cesspool of elephant manure.

If we make the right signings we could by a miracle still scrape top 4 even with a total rookie manager who took the job out of emotional feelings at half time watching City use us a a glossy training session.

If we don't sign the right players before February 1st then the flirt with relegation will be sexier than Gal Gadot.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Angelito » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:56 pm

It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:57 pm

Jedi wrote:Not the greatest performance, i have to admit. I'm sure Cripps and Ozim will be celebrating that we didn't win, but it's not all negative. At least we're finally controlling possession. We just need to work on making more out of it. Our offensive output simply isn't good enough.

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Maybe if my name was Gripps
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Tony Adams » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:26 pm

Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.
We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Jedi » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:15 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.
We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.

Not every manager uses all 3 subs every game and some prefer to go for cohesion rather than erratically making subs as soon as things aren't going your way. For every sub Emery got right, he had another that completely backfired. I don't understand the obsession with team selection most fans have. There's so much more to the tactics than picking the right team/subs (which is all very subjective).

Lets face it, if Fleck doesn't score that insanely unlikely volley, you would have no problem with the subs cause we would have won the game. You also said today that we need a defensive coach, despite us only scoring 30 goals in 23 games. For comparison, City has 64 so far, and this is supposed to be their bad season. Our defense has been shit forever but Emery has done the unthinkable which is making our attack toothless too.

The bigger picture here is that there's no quick fix. This is a team that's in a crisis and needs a serious rebuild come May. Until then we have to settle for positive signs in what will be some embarrassing results.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Marsbar100 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:18 pm

Jedi wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:
Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.
We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.

Not every manager uses all 3 subs every game and some prefer to go for cohesion rather than erratically making subs as soon as things aren't going your way. For every sub Emery got right, he had another that completely backfired. I don't understand the obsession with team selection most fans have. There's so much more to the tactics than picking the right team/subs (which is all very subjective).

Lets face it, if Fleck doesn't score that insanely unlikely volley, you would have no problem with the subs cause we would have won the game. You also said today that we need a defensive coach, despite us only scoring 30 goals in 23 games. For comparison, City has 64 so far, and this is supposed to be their bad season. Our defense has been shit forever but Emery has done the unthinkable which is making our attack toothless too.

The bigger picture here is that there's no quick fix. This is a team that's in a crisis and needs a serious rebuild come May. Until then we have to settle for positive signs in what will be some embarrassing results.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Godlop » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:26 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.
We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.


You can't compare Emery's start with Arteta's

Emery had a whole preseason, a summer transfer window and largely took over a squad from Wenger that still played good football in parts and was a force at home.

Arteta doesn't have any of this because Raul and Emery ruined the only good things left about the squad that Wenger left us with.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Tony Adams » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:39 pm

Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Sorry, I'm just annoyed at how obvious it was that a club in crisis should not appoint a head coach who has never been a head coach before. They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Jack The Ripper » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:01 pm

Everyone told me that Arteta will be like Pep and has learned everything from Pep.. but I swear in his first 5 prem games with us so far he is exactly like Wenger, nothing like Pep at all.. it actually is basically Wenger. Subs are exactly the same time, its almost right down to the actual second!!!!!!. Also tactics are Wenger too. I feel like its Wenger

Is Wenger back in disguise??
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:06 pm

Jack The Ripper wrote:Everyone told me that Arteta will be like Pep and has learned everything from Pep.. but I swear in his first 5 prem games with us so far he is exactly like Wenger, nothing like Pepe at all.. it actually is basically Wenger. Subs are exactly the same time, its almost right down to the actual second!!!!!!. Also tactics are Wenger too. I feel like its Wenger

Is Wenger back in disguise??

What we all thought has come to pass

But but he is the unknown..

Jobs far too big for him but hes here and we have to hope he can turn it around
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:21 pm

Tony Adams wrote:Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Sorry, I'm just annoyed at how obvious it was that a club in crisis should not appoint a head coach who has never been a head coach before. They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.


Pretty much, it was beyond ridiculous to employ this guy, no other top club would have even considered it, but you know why we did, because we're cheap, there was talk of getting the right man, interviewing 12 candidates and all that and in the end we appoint Arteta a guy who was one of the two people we interviewed last time.

For me, the board made their choice, Arteta took the job so he has no credit, he performs or he gets sacked, so far 1 win out of 5 PL games just isn't good enough and these positives some people point out are hardly noticeable. At the end of the day we needed result, not some guy who thinks bringing back that good feeling from when he was around in 2016 (and we were basically failing) is what's needed.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:23 pm

Jack The Ripper wrote:Everyone told me that Arteta will be like Pep and has learned everything from Pep.. but I swear in his first 5 prem games with us so far he is exactly like Wenger, nothing like Pep at all.. it actually is basically Wenger. Subs are exactly the same time, its almost right down to the actual second!!!!!!. Also tactics are Wenger too. I feel like its Wenger

Is Wenger back in disguise??


Yeah but then Wenger has been very complimentary about him for years and thought he could definitely replace him (no wonder the guy is like a mini clone of him), that should have been enough to put us off.

The bottom line is he needs to start getting results, the obvious way for us to play is a more pacey game as we do have pace in the team up front, so why we're going back to 5 yard triangular passing we disliked so much I don't know.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Jedi » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:26 pm

Tony Adams wrote:Settle for positive signs. OK, name one that doesn't involve sideways passes on the half way line.

Didn't we already do this and three people replied, myself included, all with different answers?


Tony Adams wrote:They should have brought in an experienced manager to steady the ship til the summer and given arteta the job then when he'd have a summer transfer window and full preseason.

Why? What difference does it make? It's not like we could challenge for top 4 with a different manager and Europa is always a roll of the dice.

Klopp came to Liverpool a few games into the season, forced to play with Rodgers' players finishing 8th. Look where they are now.

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And as far as Wenger comparisons go, when it comes to style, i wouldn't mind a second Wenger at all. In fact, i can only hope Arteta will make us play that kind of football.

Wengers main problem was being too sentimental with certain players and getting old. Arteta doesn't seem to have either of those problems.
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