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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:30 am

Santi wrote:I hate that c*** Xhaka but he’s been one of our better players over the last month.


That's not saying much to be honest, his tackling is still shocking and he's still painfully slow. People keep saying he'll be sold in the summer etc, but there's zero evidence of this, in fact quite the opposite Arteta seems to be indicating he'll be integral to his team with everything he says and does, what's more Arsenal fans will just accept it when really this guy should be gone (something people originally wanted in January).
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Zanatos3 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:33 pm

Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.

Yes of couse there's been some differences, there always will be with a new manager coming in with different ideas and usually there's an upturn in results as well (which at this point is very negligible), but overall we still are pretty poor, take Auba out (and we need to now as he'll be banned for 3 games thanks to Arteta getting him to do things he's no good at) and we'd be in real trouble.

I admit Torreira has improved a lot, but that's simply because he's playing in his natural position, something almost the whole fanbase could see was needed and that Emery wouldn't do.

Luiz has been decentish but has got away with the same misjudgments he wasn't getting away with before, so it could have been very different, as I said he should be in midfield replacing Xhaka.

Other than players chasing more and the odd decent move for a goal and some of that good old passing sideways we've loved so much under Wenger (can't believe we found another manager who wants to play that way rather than to our strengths) there's been little change.

Personally I'm not impressed and I don't like his support for players like Xhaka which some pretend he has to do, but the truth is he rates the guy, he wanted him at Man City (thankfully for City Guardiola is a better judge of talent), has showered praise upon him and plays him every match (again though it's a disgrace this guy has been allowed to walk back into the team after what happened and 4 years of awful displays).


You Just Know...if a Decisive Manager Like Carlo Anceloti, or FranK Lampard took the helm at Arsenal, [ not that i wanted any of them! ]

They would have been decisive & BEFORE they even entered the club, the Stadium, they would have their people

determine who are the worst players statistically at the club & Sit them on the Bench till January, Out the window & in with New quality

[ As Lampard has done to Old Man Giroud, with No apologies, No indecision, No Clean Slate & 2nd Chances... He knew Tammy could do

everything Giroud can & MORE, Not afraid of Player Power, Head of Football Squabbles etc, He Knows Giroud is SLOW & OLD

& his only skill is being Tall & Strong on 1SPOT with his back to goal!

Tammy can do All of that BETTER, With Pace, Dribbles, also good at Headers etc...

If any one of those guys got the helm at Arsenal, Xhaka would have been Benched & GONE Already in the Window,

From his stats as SLOW, Error Prone player, 7+ errors leading to goals conceeded for Arsenal since his came & that stat was from early last season

I hope Arteta grows in common sense & does the right thing in January, I was really hoping to be rid of Xhaka by now.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby elkanofan » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:38 pm

Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.

Yes of couse there's been some differences, there always will be with a new manager coming in with different ideas and usually there's an upturn in results as well (which at this point is very negligible), but overall we still are pretty poor, take Auba out (and we need to now as he'll be banned for 3 games thanks to Arteta getting him to do things he's no good at) and we'd be in real trouble.

I admit Torreira has improved a lot, but that's simply because he's playing in his natural position, something almost the whole fanbase could see was needed and that Emery wouldn't do.

Luiz has been decentish but has got away with the same misjudgments he wasn't getting away with before, so it could have been very different, as I said he should be in midfield replacing Xhaka.

Other than players chasing more and the odd decent move for a goal and some of that good old passing sideways we've loved so much under Wenger (can't believe we found another manager who wants to play that way rather than to our strengths) there's been little change.

Personally I'm not impressed and I don't like his support for players like Xhaka which some pretend he has to do, but the truth is he rates the guy, he wanted him at Man City (thankfully for City Guardiola is a better judge of talent), has showered praise upon him and plays him every match (again though it's a disgrace this guy has been allowed to walk back into the team after what happened and 4 years of awful displays).




Very fair points.

The big difference i have seen and why i support is Arteta wants to focus on one style which suits the ethos of our club. I still like Emery but his assortment of different tactics confused the players and annoyed much of the fanbase who want sexy football.

But i want to be positive now. Ozil pissing me off has drained me enough as it is. I see many mistakes and a disaster coming with Arteta too but i know its all about how we as fans unite and out pressure on the board to make changes because the issue is we lack quality on certain areas whatever the tactics used.

The biggest thing we lack right now is actually a creative midfielder. You can be a possession based to team without creative midfielders who can dribble and make passes for assists along with score the odd goal. I just hope Ceballos returns with vengeance since we could really do with him at the very least.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:03 am

Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.


Its because you have the patients of a 5 year old.

We're at the start of a project to get this club back on track, its going to take time, he's still working with the same players, he hasn't even had a transfer yet.

As for these results your harping on about .............. "Arsenal haven't won a game since October, their worst run since 1975" Arteta took over, we have two wins and unlucky draw in our last 3 games.

There's your results difference since Emery so please pipe down ffs.

Arteta has brought in higher standards and expectancy into the team, played one formation so we can begin to perfect it and play our game, put players in their best postions, starting our best players.

.......... we had none of that under Emery, so there's the improvement also.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby greengoonerie » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:52 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.


Its because you have the patients of a 5 year old.

We're at the start of a project to get this club back on track, its going to take time, he's still working with the same players, he hasn't even had a transfer yet.

As for these results your harping on about .............. "Arsenal haven't won a game since October, their worst run since 1975" Arteta took over, we have two wins and unlucky draw in our last 3 games.

There's your results difference since Emery so please pipe down ffs.

Arteta has brought in higher standards and expectancy into the team, played one formation so we can begin to perfect it and play our game, put players in their best postions, starting our best players.

.......... we had none of that under Emery, so there's the improvement also.
It's way too early to be comparing Arteta to anyone TBH!!

Wait until the end of next season and we can determine his worth tbh.

However, His biggest problem (outside of the complacency which exists at boardroom level is the complacency and attitude of many of the senior players. The attitude of many of them is questionable at best and stinking at worst.

Go through the palace game and watch the lack of leadership across the team, the basic mistakes made during the game and the "couldn't be arsed" attitude of older more experienced players. That needs to be addressed and resolved as a matter of urgency or it will seep into the AMN, Martinelli group of players.

Arteta is no mug and has learnt from some of the best managers in world football both as a player and a coach.

I am very optimistic that, if he can address the negative self indulgent attitude of some of the senior players and get them off their arses, the team will improve hugely as a result.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:42 am

greengoonerie wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.


Its because you have the patients of a 5 year old.

We're at the start of a project to get this club back on track, its going to take time, he's still working with the same players, he hasn't even had a transfer yet.

As for these results your harping on about .............. "Arsenal haven't won a game since October, their worst run since 1975" Arteta took over, we have two wins and unlucky draw in our last 3 games.

There's your results difference since Emery so please pipe down ffs.

Arteta has brought in higher standards and expectancy into the team, played one formation so we can begin to perfect it and play our game, put players in their best postions, starting our best players.

.......... we had none of that under Emery, so there's the improvement also.
It's way too early to be comparing Arteta to anyone TBH!!

Wait until the end of next season and we can determine his worth tbh.

However, His biggest problem (outside of the complacency which exists at boardroom level is the complacency and attitude of many of the senior players. The attitude of many of them is questionable at best and stinking at worst.

Go through the palace game and watch the lack of leadership across the team, the basic mistakes made during the game and the "couldn't be arsed" attitude of older more experienced players. That needs to be addressed and resolved as a matter of urgency or it will seep into the AMN, Martinelli group of players.

Arteta is no mug and has learnt from some of the best managers in world football both as a player and a coach.

I am very optimistic that, if he can address the negative self indulgent attitude of some of the senior players and get them off their arses, the team will improve hugely as a result.


That's because we as a club and fanbase are making this harder than it needs to be.

If a player doesn't have the right attitude then what should we be doing ...................?

How many managers are we going to let some of our players burn before the obvious answer is acted on?

If a player was at Liverpool or Barca and wasn't performing the player would get benched and then moved out of the club.
Our problem is we keep trying to get a Ford Fiesta to out perform a Ferrari and wonder why we keep getting it wrong, you can do a bit of fine tuning, improve the handling, even stick a turbo on it, but in the end its not going to beat the Ferrari.

We need to get rid of any player who's not up to level, if not we're going to keep getting issues, managers can only do so much, they can't turn water into wine.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:58 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
greengoonerie wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.


Its because you have the patients of a 5 year old.

We're at the start of a project to get this club back on track, its going to take time, he's still working with the same players, he hasn't even had a transfer yet.

As for these results your harping on about .............. "Arsenal haven't won a game since October, their worst run since 1975" Arteta took over, we have two wins and unlucky draw in our last 3 games.

There's your results difference since Emery so please pipe down ffs.

Arteta has brought in higher standards and expectancy into the team, played one formation so we can begin to perfect it and play our game, put players in their best postions, starting our best players.

.......... we had none of that under Emery, so there's the improvement also.
It's way too early to be comparing Arteta to anyone TBH!!

Wait until the end of next season and we can determine his worth tbh.

However, His biggest problem (outside of the complacency which exists at boardroom level is the complacency and attitude of many of the senior players. The attitude of many of them is questionable at best and stinking at worst.

Go through the palace game and watch the lack of leadership across the team, the basic mistakes made during the game and the "couldn't be arsed" attitude of older more experienced players. That needs to be addressed and resolved as a matter of urgency or it will seep into the AMN, Martinelli group of players.

Arteta is no mug and has learnt from some of the best managers in world football both as a player and a coach.

I am very optimistic that, if he can address the negative self indulgent attitude of some of the senior players and get them off their arses, the team will improve hugely as a result.


That's because we as a club and fanbase are making this harder than it needs to be.

If a player doesn't have the right attitude then what should we be doing ...................?

How many managers are we going to let some of our players burn before the obvious answer is acted on?

If a player was at Liverpool or Barca and wasn't performing the player would get benched and then moved out of the club.
Our problem is we keep trying to get a Ford Fiesta to out perform a Ferrari and wonder why we keep getting it wrong, you can do a bit of fine tuning, improve the handling, even stick a turbo on it, but in the end its not going to beat the Ferrari.

We need to get rid of any player who's not up to level, if not we're going to keep getting issues, managers can only do so much, they can't turn water into wine.


Very true.
That is why the summer transfer window is the real test of whether we are on the right track.
I think we can forget this window - whilst I would have expected Arteta to have identified the players we need to ship out, I can understand why he wouldn;t communicate it yet.
But in the summer, I would expect the biggest turnover of players in our history.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:22 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.


Its because you have the patients of a 5 year old.

We're at the start of a project to get this club back on track, its going to take time, he's still working with the same players, he hasn't even had a transfer yet.

As for these results your harping on about .............. "Arsenal haven't won a game since October, their worst run since 1975" Arteta took over, we have two wins and unlucky draw in our last 3 games.

There's your results difference since Emery so please pipe down ffs.

Arteta has brought in higher standards and expectancy into the team, played one formation so we can begin to perfect it and play our game, put players in their best postions, starting our best players.

.......... we had none of that under Emery, so there's the improvement also.


We've been failing for almost 15 years, 12 years of Wenger relative failure, followed by 18 months of Emery and I'm impatient, please.....

We're not a project club, for me Arteta needed to come in hitting the ground running, that's what I would have expected if we'd got a top manager and just because the club chooses to employ a guy with no experience that's not my problem, he needs to perform.

1 win in the PL with 2 draws and 1 defeat, the win was against Man U where we played well but they are a pretty poor side these days, the draws were pretty poor against Bournemouth who were awful and Palace who had players out, that's not really much of an improvement, like I said 5 out of 12 points, that's under 50% and not a lot better than Emery to be honest.

Higher standards? It's been OK, you'd expect changes from a new manager, but it's been nothing amazing, average results, the team only turning up for 45 minutes, some poor lineups to boot.

If you think this is a project and we're building towards something, then be prepared to be disappointed, I supect this will end like it always does at Arsenal these days, with us failing and evenutally having to start again and once again the cycle will repeat itself, new manager, new project, excuses by Arsenal fans, rinse and repeat, our days of going toe to toe with the big boys are long gone and won't be coming back for a very long time, not with owners that really don't care about what happens on the pitch.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:27 pm

Özim wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Özim wrote:It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.


Its because you have the patients of a 5 year old.

We're at the start of a project to get this club back on track, its going to take time, he's still working with the same players, he hasn't even had a transfer yet.

As for these results your harping on about .............. "Arsenal haven't won a game since October, their worst run since 1975" Arteta took over, we have two wins and unlucky draw in our last 3 games.

There's your results difference since Emery so please pipe down ffs.

Arteta has brought in higher standards and expectancy into the team, played one formation so we can begin to perfect it and play our game, put players in their best postions, starting our best players.

.......... we had none of that under Emery, so there's the improvement also.



Higher standards? It's been OK, you'd expect changes from a new manager, but it's been nothing amazing, average results, the team only turning up for 45 minutes, some poor lineups to boot.



That's my biggest concern so far with Arteta. His starting 11 and subs have been poor. It's very very similar to Wenger and Emery.... i.e. seems to be formulaic as opposed to whats actually needed for the game on that day. There was a time when we didn;t need to worry about the opposition - just play our game. Those times are long gone, but I think Arteta is approaching the job in some areas in a very similar way to Wenger.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:08 pm

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That's my biggest concern so far with Arteta. His starting 11 and subs have been poor. It's very very similar to Wenger and Emery.... i.e. seems to be formulaic as opposed to whats actually needed for the game on that day. There was a time when we didn;t need to worry about the opposition - just play our game. Those times are long gone, but I think Arteta is approaching the job in some areas in a very similar way to Wenger.


I see parallels with Wenger too, which is a bad thing.

The football reminds me a bit of Wenger, I never really liked it once he shifted from that amazing, pacy, exciting counter attacking game that could help you take apart teams in 20 minutes and was so successful, so I'm hoping he uses our pace much more.

Agree about the lineups, needs to be more dynamic and switch things around, it's clear he already has his favourites like Xhaka for example, but places in the team should be on merit, Martinelli for me should be playing on Merit, his performances this season has been very very good indeed.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Jedi » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:21 pm

Daily reminder Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:22 pm

Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
That's my biggest concern so far with Arteta. His starting 11 and subs have been poor. It's very very similar to Wenger and Emery.... i.e. seems to be formulaic as opposed to whats actually needed for the game on that day. There was a time when we didn;t need to worry about the opposition - just play our game. Those times are long gone, but I think Arteta is approaching the job in some areas in a very similar way to Wenger.


I see parallels with Wenger too, which is a bad thing.

The football reminds me a bit of Wenger, I never really liked it once he shifted from that amazing, pacy, exciting counter attacking game that could help you take apart teams in 20 minutes and was so successful, so I'm hoping he uses our pace much more.

Agree about the lineups, needs to be more dynamic and switch things around, it's clear he already has his favourites like Xhaka for example, but places in the team should be on merit, Martinelli for me should be playing on Merit, his performances this season has been very very good indeed.


Martinelli got injured, so will give Arteta a pass on that one, but now he's fit he should be playing. He's shown more than enough to elevate him above every single player in our squad.

I agree on Wenger's football in his last few years - the most boring version of the game I have ever seen. He tried to copy Barcelona, brought in the wrong players and turned us into a possession team in midfield and defence with little to nothing going forward. Hence, we lost many games whilst having most of the possession. Used to think it was bad luck, but it wasn't. We held the ball with no threat and other teams - even lower teams - we just more clinical when they got their chances. Sideways and backwards passing should be banned at the club unless the player is under pressure and has to get rid of it!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby aniym » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:44 pm

Jedi wrote:Daily reminder Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool.


Klopp was a proven manager with 2 BuLi titles. He had the leverage to get spending guarantees from FSG.

Arteta has no experience and definitely no leverage when it comes to our transfer business. He too will be saddled with statDna players like Pepe and cheap CBs who don't solve our problems at the back.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby elkanofan » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:53 pm

Klopp also got to a European final in his first season

beaten by apparently the worst, shittest most clueless manager.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Jedi » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:05 pm

aniym wrote:
Jedi wrote:Daily reminder Klopp finished 8th in his first season at Liverpool.


Klopp was a proven manager with 2 BuLi titles. He had the leverage to get spending guarantees from FSG.

Arteta has no experience and definitely no leverage when it comes to our transfer business. He too will be saddled with statDna players like Pepe and cheap CBs who don't solve our problems at the back.

How can you say that? Were you present in the room when they discussed transfers? This isn't even conjecture, there is absolutely no info to suggest he won't have serious input on transfer targets. I'm sure the summer budget and areas that need strengthening were discussed before he signed the contract.
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