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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:34 pm

Due to circumstances more than anything else, Martinelli should get a few games now, which is a good thing as he's been sharp, skillful and impressive, it's shameful that Arteta hasn't used him more to be honest.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby aniym » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:28 am

The lack of a new manager bounce has been disappointing, but also shows that it wasn't Emery holding the team back. We're seeing the same lack of commitment and inability to see games out, even under a manager the players reportedly like.

I'm more sympathetic to Arteta now because I do believe he's trying to get the most out of his squad. But he needs to push for a clear out in the summer, no ifs, no buts. Understandably he can't do that now given our threadbare squad. But if he can't make his voice heard and push to sign players in the positions we need, we'll have years of this kind of unstable football to look forward to.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Godlop » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:46 am

aniym wrote:The lack of a new manager bounce has been disappointing, but also shows that it wasn't Emery holding the team back. We're seeing the same lack of commitment and inability to see games out, even under a manager the players reportedly like.

I'm more sympathetic to Arteta now because I do believe he's trying to get the most out of his squad. But he needs to push for a clear out in the summer, no ifs, no buts. Understandably he can't do that now given our threadbare squad. But if he can't make his voice heard and push to sign players in the positions we need, we'll have years of this kind of unstable football to look forward to.


Yes he was and more than anyone thought.
it doesn't change the fact that the team is obviously not good enough for top four.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby swipe right » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:50 am

Still no suit.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Zanatos3 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:07 am

Jedi wrote:
Zanatos3 wrote:
Jedi wrote:Brendan Rodgers finished 14/15 in 6th place. Next season, he got sacked and Liverpool appointed Klopp after 8 league games 3 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses.

After 30 league games in Klopp's first season, what position did Liverpool finish the season in?

They finished 8th.

Jurgen Klopp finished his debut season 2 positions lower than his predecessor.

Can this cancerous "new manager bounce" concept die out already. Just because a new manager brings positive energy to the club, doesn't mean he can perform miracles and fix all systemic problems in his first 3 weeks.



But This is the January Transfer Window . . .

A New Manager can Change some of the personnel!

Money gone from Paying off Emery Early YES.... But Sell Musti & Xhaka & we have at least 30+mil to bring in young players

in positions that we NEED...AKA DM, LB/RB, or CB,

Sell Early & you have a Known Vacancy & can Buy middle or Later, on or before the transfer deadline....

But we still prefer to Buy 1st, then sell for a loss....we could get at least 25mil Right Now for Xhaka, Still.

January transfer window is awful if you want to look for anything other than squad players to make up the numbers.

I'd rather wait till summer than waste money on trash now on another flop.


We should get two youths like Daniel James in this transfer window, both underated quality, but talented, Fast, Smart & good on the ball

From Somewhere! anywhere, forget proven in the league! study young, FIT, CONSISTENT, QUALITY from anywhere in the world, that'd b under or over

10mil a piece, Minamino was like 8mil & he's quality CRYSTAL CLEAR, theres other quality defensive players all over the world,

Liverpool will buy 1 for 8mil, now he's worth 100mil, & keep him, Chelsea send Mason Mount to train with Lampard, He knows Mount & Tammy are

worth 50+mil since the championship, but Arsenal & other clubs turn up their noses because of the league the were playing in.

Arsene Wenger used to find Quality from Africa & France for cheap that the EPL didn't care to know about...[ Henry, Kola, Kanu, etc]

Sven "Golden Eye" Mislinat found Torreira & Leno for less that half of what they were worth...

Best Players for us now, including Auba & Laca, but defensive quality.

We could Spend Under 20mil & get two good Young Defensive Reinforcements in Jan, Either DM & LB/RB or CB & LB or RB

two young defensive signings, after the sale of one or both of Mustafi & Xhaka.

Yet I hear again we have a young new Manager, like Emery, Arty wants NOT a Defensive signing...but if possible,

another Skinny CM 'Box to Box' player

who would really replace no.8 Ramsey [AGAIN], Attacking, good on the ball,

but can Moonlight as a "DM"....[Rabiot, Ceballos,Gunedouzi, Willock etc]
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:04 am

Tony Adams wrote:
Godlop wrote:I'm glad the Arteta appointment revealed who on this forum understands football and who doesn't
If you don't see the massive improvements Arteta has already bought to this club despite a huge amount of injuries and inheriting a squad that lacks fitness, believe and quality you are one dumb human.

Today was a poor performance and there will be more of this later in the season.
Learn to deal with it and trust the process.
You should aim your unhappiness at the board who once again seem to refuse to back our manager properly.

Anyway if you don't support Arteta please do the rest of us a favour and f**k off.
Name me three 'massive' improvements.

If you can't see 3 massive improvements you are being a massive WUM.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:05 am

Ach wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:Wtf is xG?

Something no one uses other than Arsenal fans and only then to support a dying cause.

We can all see not much if anything has improved under Arteta but but xg

No - you and a couple of other numpties can't see any improvements - because you don't want to see them, helps you continue to be a wum.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:08 am

aniym wrote:The lack of a new manager bounce has been disappointing, but also shows that it wasn't Emery holding the team back. We're seeing the same lack of commitment and inability to see games out, even under a manager the players reportedly like.

I'm more sympathetic to Arteta now because I do believe he's trying to get the most out of his squad. But he needs to push for a clear out in the summer, no ifs, no buts. Understandably he can't do that now given our threadbare squad. But if he can't make his voice heard and push to sign players in the positions we need, we'll have years of this kind of unstable football to look forward to.

Looool, how can you say it was not Emery holding the team back? He was f***ing useless!! Arteta coming in and improving our shape and play in just 3 weeks and a handful of training sessions proves that Emery was a useless waste of space.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:22 am

Emery EPL 2019-20 - Played 13 and attained 18 points
Arteta EPL 2019-20 - Played 4 and attained 5 points

How is that an improvement?

Whilst I see a couple of payers putting in a bit more effort, a couple more have actually looked worse ... overall nothing much has changed, we rely almost entirely on Auba to score, our midfield still gets run over by an aggressive opposition and our defence can't go 45 minutes without a catastrophic error.

The real problem is you don't know for even a 25 minute period which team is going to turn up, the confident fast counter attacking side or the ponderous two yard passing side, the dominating possession side or the one where the ball become a bar of soap, cool heads or utter lunacy ... you just never know.

Whilst in just a few weeks none of this can be blamed on Arteta it's also fair to say nothing much has changed, points wise we've not even seen a new manager bounce.

Arteta deserves a full 18 months and time to reshape the squad, but to pretend he's made any significant change to this mid-table squad, delusional.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:07 am

theHotHead wrote:
Ach wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:Wtf is xG?

Something no one uses other than Arsenal fans and only then to support a dying cause.

We can all see not much if anything has improved under Arteta but but xg

No - you and a couple of other numpties can't see any improvements - because you don't want to see them, helps you continue to be a wum.

If you want to keep living in cloud cuckoo land go ahead.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Dejan » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:10 am

EliteKiller wrote:Emery EPL 2019-20 - Played 13 and attained 18 points
Arteta EPL 2019-20 - Played 4 and attained 5 points

How is that an improvement?

Whilst I see a couple of payers putting in a bit more effort, a couple more have actually looked worse ... overall nothing much has changed, we rely almost entirely on Auba to score, our midfield still gets run over by an aggressive opposition and our defence can't go 45 minutes without a catastrophic error.

The real problem is you don't know for even a 25 minute period which team is going to turn up, the confident fast counter attacking side or the ponderous two yard passing side, the dominating possession side or the one where the ball become a bar of soap, cool heads or utter lunacy ... you just never know.

Whilst in just a few weeks none of this can be blamed on Arteta it's also fair to say nothing much has changed, points wise we've not even seen a new manager bounce.

Arteta deserves a full 18 months and time to reshape the squad, but to pretend he's made any significant change to this mid-table squad, delusional.


Post of the month tbh. Fully agree.

Though i fully expect us to get better by each match. So im sure wed match the 18 points of emery (were f***ked if now)

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Santi » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:10 am

Jedi wrote:
Ach wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:Wtf is xG?

Something no one uses other than Arsenal fans and only then to support a dying cause.

We can all see not much if anything has improved under Arteta but but xg

Well tbf it worked very well when it predicted Emery would fall apart while you were saying things like:

Ach wrote:
Jedi wrote:
Ach wrote:Results are more important wouldn't you say?

We're getting them despite not playing that well. third is within our grasp. Would've taken this.

Yes, that's what i was saying last season... But then our bad performances caught up to us and the meltdown of epic proportions happened and we ended up being 5th despite being favorites for 3rd due to our relatively easy set of fixtures (on paper).

I can only hope the same doesn't happen this season.

Agreed but last season we still had the stench of cancer from the previous regime. This season we are much tougher. Bar the Watford calamity, we have been comfortable in most games. Lost to Liverpool I know which is understandable but I no longer watch our games as a nervous wreck.

Comfortable today

Up to third and with 3 of our defenders coming back from injury after the break and hopefully Laca as well, it's a great time to be a gooner.



Loooooooool

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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Santi » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:15 am

EliteKiller wrote:Emery EPL 2019-20 - Played 13 and attained 18 points
Arteta EPL 2019-20 - Played 4 and attained 5 points

How is that an improvement?

Whilst I see a couple of payers putting in a bit more effort, a couple more have actually looked worse ... overall nothing much has changed, we rely almost entirely on Auba to score, our midfield still gets run over by an aggressive opposition and our defence can't go 45 minutes without a catastrophic error.

The real problem is you don't know for even a 25 minute period which team is going to turn up, the confident fast counter attacking side or the ponderous two yard passing side, the dominating possession side or the one where the ball become a bar of soap, cool heads or utter lunacy ... you just never know.

Whilst in just a few weeks none of this can be blamed on Arteta it's also fair to say nothing much has changed, points wise we've not even seen a new manager bounce.

Arteta deserves a full 18 months and time to reshape the squad, but to pretend he's made any significant change to this mid-table squad, delusional.



Dear god, because it’s about the performances not the points.

Emery had a year to get who he wanted and set this team up before the period youre comparing to Artetas first weeks as a manager ever. Nevermind we’ve played united and Chelsea in those first four games

On the pitch it’s been better than under emery, clear as day. Needs to extend over a full 90 mins (tbh 60 would be nice enough for now) and eventually over a full season but there has been a clear improvement. Swear the only people suggesting otherwise were those weirdly in love with Unai the dog.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Özim » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:23 am

It amazes me people are harping on about improvements, looks at the points we've picked up, looked at where we are in the table, look at how much closer we are to the CL spots and look at whether we turn up for 45 minutes or a whole match.

Yes of couse there's been some differences, there always will be with a new manager coming in with different ideas and usually there's an upturn in results as well (which at this point is very negligible), but overall we still are pretty poor, take Auba out (and we need to now as he'll be banned for 3 games thanks to Arteta getting him to do things he's no good at) and we'd be in real trouble.

I admit Torreira has improved a lot, but that's simply because he's playing in his natural position, something almost the whole fanbase could see was needed and that Emery wouldn't do.

Luiz has been decentish but has got away with the same misjudgments he wasn't getting away with before, so it could have been very different, as I said he should be in midfield replacing Xhaka.

Other than players chasing more and the odd decent move for a goal and some of that good old passing sideways we've loved so much under Wenger (can't believe we found another manager who wants to play that way rather than to our strengths) there's been little change.

Personally I'm not impressed and I don't like his support for players like Xhaka which some pretend he has to do, but the truth is he rates the guy, he wanted him at Man City (thankfully for City Guardiola is a better judge of talent), has showered praise upon him and plays him every match (again though it's a disgrace this guy has been allowed to walk back into the team after what happened and 4 years of awful displays).
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Santi » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:27 am

I hate that c*** Xhaka but he’s been one of our better players over the last month.
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