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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:42 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
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jayramfootball wrote:
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Neymar gets a goal contribution if he dives in the build-up or cries when someone else scores - which is pretty much every goal the team scores.

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Proven wrong by the stats once again.


The irony is you used the exact same BS that I was referring to.
Twitter meme bollocks.

Crybaby played 8 of his seasons so far for Santos and PSG. Two shite leagues.

Messi has spent his entire career at Barca - Spain, whilst still a lower level than the PL is considerably better than the French league and the utterly useless Brazilian league.
Ronaldo has done it in the PL and Spain and Italy.
Crybaby's time in Spain was characterised as him being the worst of Barca's front 3.
French League is about his level.

Twitter is full of meme's comparing apples with oranges for the idiots to pass off as important.

Ah the old criticize the league he’s played in when all your other arguments fail tactic.


8 years from 12 in the Brazilian league and French league.
Says it all.
No need to go further as we've already covered his other antics.


What’s wrong with the French league, you seem to have a real problem with it.

Ronaldinho, Zidane, Lizarazu, Pires, Henry, Mbappe, Desailly, Kanye, Ginola, Drogba, Essien, Cech all came from the French league and were all top top players, you have this weird thing about it despite it having been proven in being a league that regularly produces star players.

You could argue it produces more than the PL that seems to buy in most of its stars.


And with the exception of Mbappe they all left to play in better leagues.

And mbappe would not be there either but for the financial cheating of PSG.
So the French League is left with dross because anyone who is any good ends up leaving... Apart from those feeding on PSGs money and the weak opponents they get to play against. It's literally perfect for a player like Crybaby.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:43 pm

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What’s wrong with the French league, you seem to have a real problem with it.

Ronaldinho, Zidane, Lizarazu, Pires, Henry, Mbappe, Desailly, Kanye, Ginola, Drogba, Essien, Cech all came from the French league and were all top top players, you have this weird thing about it despite it having been proven in being a league that regularly produces star players.

You could argue it produces more than the PL that seems to buy in most of its stars.


He has a problem with anything that makes him look like he's wrong, which is a lot.

The man tried to not let me include Auba's Bundesliga goals when comparing to RVP's career ffs.

Auba had only been in England for 2 years.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Santi » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:43 pm

French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:46 pm

Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Phil71 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:54 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


The Italians beat us in the final.

And Villareal don't play in France.

And PSG have found the cheat code that gives you unlimited cash.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:55 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


Villareal are shit. They had a cup run as a lot of small clubs do in the EL. Sevilla practically owned that tin cup for a while.
Yeh , I was supremely confident we'd beat them because of how poor they are. We played very badly with some weird false 9 formation. Happens. We've lost to similar small teams in the past. It will happen again.

As for the Euros, remember that the so-called superstar generation of the Belgian team and the Spanish and the Germans and the 'brilliant' French didn't make the final. England did.

Too much credit is given to players with fancy surnames who cost a lot.
I mean FFS we have people bigging up Saliba and slagging off White despite White being a million miles ahead of him.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Santi » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:05 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


But we did beat both PSG and Auxerre between 1994 and 1995 so therefore I am right.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:15 pm

Santi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


But we did beat both PSG and Auxerre between 1994 and 1995 so therefore I am right.


Yes, the logic seems to be if you beat a team you must be better than them. Very odd.
Hey hang on a minute we beat Liverpool and Man City in the FA Cup. We must be brilliant - what is all the fuss about then???
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:18 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:Image


Neymar gets a goal contribution if he dives in the build-up or cries when someone else scores - which is pretty much every goal the team scores.

Image

Proven wrong by the stats once again.


The irony is you used the exact same BS that I was referring to.
Twitter meme bollocks.

Crybaby played 8 of his seasons so far for Santos and PSG. Two shite leagues.

Messi has spent his entire career at Barca - Spain, whilst still a lower level than the PL is considerably better than the French league and the utterly useless Brazilian league.
Ronaldo has done it in the PL and Spain and Italy.
Crybaby's time in Spain was characterised as him being the worst of Barca's front 3.
French League is about his level.

Twitter is full of meme's comparing apples with oranges for the idiots to pass off as important.

Ah the old criticize the league he’s played in when all your other arguments fail tactic.


8 years from 12 in the Brazilian league and French league.
Says it all.
No need to go further as we've already covered his other antics.


What’s wrong with the French league, you seem to have a real problem with it.

Ronaldinho, Zidane, Lizarazu, Pires, Henry, Mbappe, Desailly, Kanye, Ginola, Drogba, Essien, Cech all came from the French league and were all top top players, you have this weird thing about it despite it having been proven in being a league that regularly produces star players.

You could argue it produces more than the PL that seems to buy in most of its stars.


And with the exception of Mbappe they all left to play in better leagues.


No they left to go to bigger clubs with more money and a greater chance of success, what was your point?

Like I said it’s produces more talent than the PL.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:21 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


But we did beat both PSG and Auxerre between 1994 and 1995 so therefore I am right.


Yes, the logic seems to be if you beat a team you must be better than them. Very odd.
Hey hang on a minute we beat Liverpool and Man City in the FA Cup. We must be brilliant - what is all the fuss about then???


Over one leg doesn’t mean much, if you do it consistently or over two legs it’s more meaningful, that’s why the FA cup can be won by smaller sides.

There’s plenty of one off results against top teams by lesser sides, there’s some every season in fact.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:30 pm

Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


But we did beat both PSG and Auxerre between 1994 and 1995 so therefore I am right.


Yes, the logic seems to be if you beat a team you must be better than them. Very odd.
Hey hang on a minute we beat Liverpool and Man City in the FA Cup. We must be brilliant - what is all the fuss about then???


Over one leg doesn’t mean much, if you do it consistently or over two legs it’s more meaningful, that’s why the FA cup can be won by smaller sides.



There’s plenty of one off results against top teams by lesser sides, there’s some every season in fact.


We beat Chelsea twice last year home and away.
How good are we!
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Yago » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:32 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


But we did beat both PSG and Auxerre between 1994 and 1995 so therefore I am right.


Yes, the logic seems to be if you beat a team you must be better than them. Very odd.
Hey hang on a minute we beat Liverpool and Man City in the FA Cup. We must be brilliant - what is all the fuss about then???


Over one leg doesn’t mean much, if you do it consistently or over two legs it’s more meaningful, that’s why the FA cup can be won by smaller sides.



There’s plenty of one off results against top teams by lesser sides, there’s some every season in fact.


We beat Chelsea twice last year home and away.
How good are we!


8th in the league good.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:33 pm

Yago wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Santi wrote:French league is shit, let's not pretend it isn't.


Yet Arsenal can't even beat Villarreal and get out achieved by PSG on an annual basis.

We can't even get in the CL while Neymars team make the finals or near enough every year.

In England we vastly overestimate ourselves, the Italians just done us in the Euro's lets not forget.


But we did beat both PSG and Auxerre between 1994 and 1995 so therefore I am right.


Yes, the logic seems to be if you beat a team you must be better than them. Very odd.
Hey hang on a minute we beat Liverpool and Man City in the FA Cup. We must be brilliant - what is all the fuss about then???


Over one leg doesn’t mean much, if you do it consistently or over two legs it’s more meaningful, that’s why the FA cup can be won by smaller sides.



There’s plenty of one off results against top teams by lesser sides, there’s some every season in fact.


We beat Chelsea twice last year home and away.
How good are we!


8th in the league good.


Precisely.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:44 pm

Makes no sense to talk down Neymar's ability because he plays in the French League whilst we're still shopping for players there. We've just signed two players nobody has ever heard of from the Portuguese and Belgium leagues! Those are far below Ligue 1 so what does that say about us?

We signed Gabriel, Pepe and Lacazette from Ligue 1. If it's obviously shit, then what are we doing signing players from that league and others?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Phil71 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:51 pm

Özim wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:Image


Neymar gets a goal contribution if he dives in the build-up or cries when someone else scores - which is pretty much every goal the team scores.

Image

Proven wrong by the stats once again.


The irony is you used the exact same BS that I was referring to.
Twitter meme bollocks.

Crybaby played 8 of his seasons so far for Santos and PSG. Two shite leagues.

Messi has spent his entire career at Barca - Spain, whilst still a lower level than the PL is considerably better than the French league and the utterly useless Brazilian league.
Ronaldo has done it in the PL and Spain and Italy.
Crybaby's time in Spain was characterised as him being the worst of Barca's front 3.
French League is about his level.

Twitter is full of meme's comparing apples with oranges for the idiots to pass off as important.

Ah the old criticize the league he’s played in when all your other arguments fail tactic.


8 years from 12 in the Brazilian league and French league.
Says it all.
No need to go further as we've already covered his other antics.


What’s wrong with the French league, you seem to have a real problem with it.

Ronaldinho, Zidane, Lizarazu, Pires, Henry, Mbappe, Desailly, Kanye, Ginola, Drogba, Essien, Cech all came from the French league and were all top top players, you have this weird thing about it despite it having been proven in being a league that regularly produces star players.

You could argue it produces more than the PL that seems to buy in most of its stars.


And with the exception of Mbappe they all left to play in better leagues.


No they left to go to bigger clubs with more money and a greater chance of success, what was your point?

Like I said it’s produces more talent than the PL.



OK it produces more talent than the PL? Notice you included Ronaldinho as he joined PSG when he was 18. OK. I'll include players in my list who joined the PL at a young age and developed there.

Shearer
Rooney
Gerrard
Lampard
Vieira
Keane
Terry
Ferdinand
De Bruyne
Kane
Beckham
Sol Campbell
van Persie
Fabregas
Wright
Adams
Owen
Bale
and...
Ronaldo

There are more of course.
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