Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[Salibatelli]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

He took over a side who finished 5th the season before (should have got 4th), on that basis he helped us regress.

I understand that the season Emery got sacked things went wrong, but that’s because the players stopped playing for Emery, not the case with Arteta.

This progress thing is nonsense, we never ended up 8th for over 25 years until he arrived and now it’s happened twice, there’s just no way that is progress, I’m sorry.

[Salibatelli]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

Feck J you are taking wuming to the next level, HTF has he improved us at all ? we missed out on Europe because of this fecking clown.

Yes spot on and never ended up lower than 6th since the 90s until he arrived as well!

[Arsenal Tone]

Never went a decade without a title since the 60s until he arrived.

[Santi]

So what? What we did with Wenger 30 years ago has no bearing on last season and where we are as club.

The entire club is f***ked and that's why we've gone from top 1-2 to top 8 over the last 20 years. Even master Wenger with 30 years experience dropped us down to 6th and Emery briefly kept us around there until completely collapsing in the final and his second season.

Regardless of manager this club needs huge work to stop the slide and that's why this window has been incredibly disappointing for me. I cannot believe Xhaka and Bellerin have not been sold, preferably along with Willock and AMN but the latter two can be useful at least. We also needed a CM on top of Lokonga (Fekir / Aouar) but that doesn't look likely at the moment and it does seem Ben White has affected our other business after all.

If Arteta is wank, he's wank and will be sacked soon enough. If he's not then hopefully it comes together this season and we see an improvement at least back into the top 6. As I've said before, I think more is unrealistic without big signings.

Either way it's hard to give a f**k about Arsenal these days anyway. Thank god for American Football.

[Santi]

Never went a decade without a title since the 60s until he arrived.

[theHotHead]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

That's some reaching Jay!!

Lets forget the 2019-20 season, Arteta in his full season got 1.78 points per game, Emery managed 1.95 in his full season.

So Arteta has taken us backwards. Forget half year accounts, its the full year accounts that matter!

[theHotHead]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

He took over a side who finished 5th the season before (should have got 4th), on that basis he helped us regress.

I understand that the season Emery got sacked things went wrong, but that’s because the players stopped playing for Emery, not the case with Arteta.

This progress thing is nonsense, we never ended up 8th for over 25 years until he arrived and now it’s happened twice, there’s just no way that is progress, I’m sorry.

Ozim, no that's not what happened, Emery turned into a f***ing idiot mate, thats what caused the slip backwards. How are you gonna blame the players when nobody could understand Emery or his instructions, the game plan was both suicidal and a mess. You only need to see what he did with Torreira to see Emery was the culprit. Imagine trying to play a defacto specialist DM as an attacking midfielder!! Lord have his mercy!!

[jayramfootball]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

That's some reaching Jay!!

Lets forget the 2019-20 season, Arteta in his full season got 1.78 points per game, Emery managed 1.95 in his full season.

So Arteta has taken us backwards. Forget half year accounts, its the full year accounts that matter!

Arteta took over mid season.
You can not ignore the fall from the end of Emery's first season to the point Arteta took over.

We had 23 points from 18 games when Arteta took over in the 19/20 season. 1.28 points per game.
Once Arteta took over it rose to 1.65 points per game over the following 20 games.

'Full-year accounts' mean nothing at all in assessing a manager if he didn't manage for the full year.

[Arsenal Tone]

So what? What we did with Wenger 30 years ago has no bearing on last season and where we are as club.

The entire club is f***ked and that's why we've gone from top 1-2 to top 8 over the last 20 years. Even master Wenger with 30 years experience dropped us down to 6th and Emery briefly kept us around there until completely collapsing in the final and his second season.

Regardless of manager this club needs huge work to stop the slide and that's why this window has been incredibly disappointing for me. I cannot believe Xhaka and Bellerin have not been sold, preferably along with Willock and AMN but the latter two can be useful at least. We also needed a CM on top of Lokonga (Fekir / Aouar) but that doesn't look likely at the moment and it does seem Ben White has affected our other business after all.

If Arteta is wank, he's wank and will be sacked soon enough. If he's not then hopefully it comes together this season and we see an improvement at least back into the top 6. As I've said before, I think more is unrealistic without big signings.

Either way it's hard to give a f**k about Arsenal these days anyway. Thank god for American Football.

Well Wenger signed Bellerin, Elneny, Xhaka, Lacazette and Auba. All of the underperforming players are Wenger players.

I know people like Elneny but the reality he isn't good enough to be anything other than fourth choice at best which is why I include him in that list.

[theHotHead]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

That's some reaching Jay!!

Lets forget the 2019-20 season, Arteta in his full season got 1.78 points per game, Emery managed 1.95 in his full season.

So Arteta has taken us backwards. Forget half year accounts, its the full year accounts that matter!

Arteta took over mid season.
You can not ignore the fall from the end of Emery's first season to the point Arteta took over.

We had 23 points from 18 games when Arteta took over in the 19/20 season. 1.28 points per game.
Once Arteta took over it rose to 1.65 points per game over the following 20 games.

'Full-year accounts' mean nothing at all in assessing a manager if he didn't manage for the full year.

Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I am saying ignore the 2019-20 season for both Arteta and Emery, lets focus on their full seasons!

Emery full season after taking over from Wenger, 1.95 points per season.

Arteta full season after taking over from Arteta (2020-21 season), 1.78 points per season.

Both managers took over a club in turmoil, Emery's was moreso, because he had the weight of Wenger on his shoulders too.

[Salibatelli]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

He took over a side who finished 5th the season before (should have got 4th), on that basis he helped us regress.

I understand that the season Emery got sacked things went wrong, but that’s because the players stopped playing for Emery, not the case with Arteta.

This progress thing is nonsense, we never ended up 8th for over 25 years until he arrived and now it’s happened twice, there’s just no way that is progress, I’m sorry.

Ozim, no that's not what happened, Emery turned into a f***ing idiot mate, thats what caused the slip backwards. How are you gonna blame the players when nobody could understand Emery or his instructions, the game plan was both suicidal and a mess. You only need to see what he did with Torreira to see Emery was the culprit. Imagine trying to play a defacto specialist DM as an attacking midfielder!! Lord have his mercy!!

There was definitely a communication issue with Emery that’s pretty clear, but at some stage the players stopped believing, I’m not blaming the players I just think if you lose the players it’s only going one way, it’s up to the manager to stop that happening of course.

I don’t blame Emery entirely because unlike Arteta he didn’t get full backing, he never got the players he wanted he got told to work with what the club decided.

[jayramfootball]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

That's some reaching Jay!!

Lets forget the 2019-20 season, Arteta in his full season got 1.78 points per game, Emery managed 1.95 in his full season.

So Arteta has taken us backwards. Forget half year accounts, its the full year accounts that matter!

Arteta took over mid season.
You can not ignore the fall from the end of Emery's first season to the point Arteta took over.

We had 23 points from 18 games when Arteta took over in the 19/20 season. 1.28 points per game.
Once Arteta took over it rose to 1.65 points per game over the following 20 games.

'Full-year accounts' mean nothing at all in assessing a manager if he didn't manage for the full year.

Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I am saying ignore the 2019-20 season for both Arteta and Emery, lets focus on their full seasons!

Emery full season after taking over from Wenger, 1.95 points per season.

Arteta full season after taking over from Arteta (2020-21 season), 1.78 points per season.

Both managers took over a club in turmoil, Emery's was moreso, because he had the weight of Wenger on his shoulders too.

It doesn't matter what Emery did in his first season - that has nothing to do with what was actually handed over to Arteta.
You can't ignore 19/20. That was when the handover actually happened! What was handed over was a team who had taken 23 points from 18 matches and were in crisis.

Right now were are in better shape than when Arteta took over. Not by much mind you.
But we have improved.

[Salibatelli]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

That's some reaching Jay!!

Lets forget the 2019-20 season, Arteta in his full season got 1.78 points per game, Emery managed 1.95 in his full season.

So Arteta has taken us backwards. Forget half year accounts, its the full year accounts that matter!

Arteta took over mid season.
You can not ignore the fall from the end of Emery's first season to the point Arteta took over.

We had 23 points from 18 games when Arteta took over in the 19/20 season. 1.28 points per game.
Once Arteta took over it rose to 1.65 points per game over the following 20 games.

'Full-year accounts' mean nothing at all in assessing a manager if he didn't manage for the full year.

Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I am saying ignore the 2019-20 season for both Arteta and Emery, lets focus on their full seasons!

Emery full season after taking over from Wenger, 1.95 points per season.

Arteta full season after taking over from Arteta (2020-21 season), 1.78 points per season.

Both managers took over a club in turmoil, Emery's was moreso, because he had the weight of Wenger on his shoulders too.

It doesn't matter what Emery did in his first season - that has nothing to do with what was actually handed over to Arteta.
You can't ignore 19/20. That was when the handover actually happened! What was handed over was a team who had taken 23 points from 18 matches and were in crisis.

Right now were are in better shape than when Arteta took over. Not by much mind you.
But we have improved.

Of course it does, that was the previous season and the squad was very similar, it went wrong for Emery doesn’t mean the squad was bad.

Just look at Chelsea and Lampard and Tuchel. The fact is Arteta has made very poor use of the squad and has also cut out other options like Saliba, Mavropanos, Ozil, Guendouzi and to some extent Martinelli and Pepe and ESR.

It’s been an awful example of man and squad management, I’ve not seen another manager make so many shocking decisions.

You make so many excuses for Arteta it’s ridiculous. Under Arteta we went from 5th (almost 4th) to 8th, there’s zero debate about that, this despite complete backing in the transfer market.

[Nuggets]

Last season, Europa league is a distraction. Not worth it

This season, moving up 2 to 3 places in the league is progress.

Obviously

Fixed.

No its not, because we shouldn't have finished 8th in the first bloody place Jay!!

Thats like losing half your money gambling then spending the rest of the night trying to win it back, leaving the casino even and saying coming out even is improvement from when you went in.

Arteta can only be judged on what he took over.
In your analogy it wasn't him that lost the money at the casino, so he is not just even if he gets us to 5th/6th this year, he's ahead.
So far in his first 18 months he's improved us - but not enough.
This season a move up to 5th/6th would be significant.

That's some reaching Jay!!

Lets forget the 2019-20 season, Arteta in his full season got 1.78 points per game, Emery managed 1.95 in his full season.

So Arteta has taken us backwards. Forget half year accounts, its the full year accounts that matter!

Arteta took over mid season.
You can not ignore the fall from the end of Emery's first season to the point Arteta took over.

We had 23 points from 18 games when Arteta took over in the 19/20 season. 1.28 points per game.
Once Arteta took over it rose to 1.65 points per game over the following 20 games.

'Full-year accounts' mean nothing at all in assessing a manager if he didn't manage for the full year.

Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I am saying ignore the 2019-20 season for both Arteta and Emery, lets focus on their full seasons!

Emery full season after taking over from Wenger, 1.95 points per season.

Arteta full season after taking over from Arteta (2020-21 season), 1.78 points per season.

Both managers took over a club in turmoil, Emery's was moreso, because he had the weight of Wenger on his shoulders too.

It doesn't matter what Emery did in his first season - that has nothing to do with what was actually handed over to Arteta.
You can't ignore 19/20. That was when the handover actually happened! What was handed over was a team who had taken 23 points from 18 matches and were in crisis.

Right now were are in better shape than when Arteta took over. Not by much mind you.
But we have improved.

Of course it does, that was the previous season and the squad was very similar, it went wrong for Emery doesn’t mean the squad was bad.

Just look at Chelsea and Lampard and Tuchel. The fact is Arteta has made very poor use of the squad and has also cut out other options like Saliba, Mavropanos, Ozil, Guendouzi and to some extent Martinelli and Pepe and ESR.

It’s been an awful example of man and squad management, I’ve not seen another manager make so many shocking decisions.

You make so many excuses for Arteta it’s ridiculous. Under Arteta we went from 5th (almost 4th) to 8th, there’s zero debate about that, this despite complete backing in the transfer market.

He just enjoys winding people up, take no notice.

[Goonerred]

Anyway, Arteta didn't take over from Emery, he took over from Freddie.