Tuchel working wonders with Chelsea. Just beat high flying Atletico.
We are going out more likely than not to benfica ffs
by Ach » Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:56 pm
by DiamondGooner » Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:39 pm
Ach wrote:Tuchel working wonders with Chelsea. Just beat high flying Atletico.
We are going out more likely than not to benfica ffs
by KG3 » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:42 am
DiamondGooner wrote:Ach wrote:Tuchel working wonders with Chelsea. Just beat high flying Atletico.
We are going out more likely than not to benfica ffs
I said Tuchel would do well at Chelsea, all the nay sayers.
by theHotHead » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:37 am
DiamondGooner wrote:theHotHead wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:Ach wrote:Down to 11th
How is he still in the job ffs
Pro.....gress.
From 15th, aye, but thats like being happy that being punched in the face only broke your jaw but didn't knock any teeth out.
I'm being sarcastic, captain obvious.
by theHotHead » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:39 am
DiamondGooner wrote:Ach wrote:Tuchel working wonders with Chelsea. Just beat high flying Atletico.
We are going out more likely than not to benfica ffs
I said Tuchel would do well at Chelsea, all the nay sayers.
by Power n Glory » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:48 am
by Ach » Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:29 am
by Salibatelli » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:38 am
Power n Glory wrote:It's way too early for this Tuchel stuff.
by theHotHead » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:09 pm
Power n Glory wrote:It's way too early for this Tuchel stuff.
by starmandb » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:33 pm
aniym wrote:Power n Glory wrote:If it were Henry, Vieria or Ljunberg in charge with this record, would anyone be convinced they needed more time and backing? I don’t see it.
Manager's popularity and prestige among the media is definitely a factor here. Arteta is still widely considered a prodigy, and his lack of experience is rarely questioned. In fact, it's usually portrayed as an asset, as if he's the 'modern manager' that a stodgy club like Arsenal need.
The reality is that he plays incredibly cautious, defensive football 60% of the time, and still concedes early goals frequently.
by starmandb » Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:02 pm
Ach wrote:Tuchel working wonders with Chelsea. Just beat high flying Atletico.
We are going out more likely than not to benfica ffs
by Angelito » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:19 pm
Power n Glory wrote:It's way too early for this Tuchel stuff.
by Power n Glory » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:55 pm
Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:It's way too early for this Tuchel stuff.
Whenever Chelsea have hired a world class or top quality coach, they have gone on to win things. Jose with those multiple league titles; Ancelotti with the double; Conte with the League and FA Cup, they have been winners. Sarri, who might not be at those levels, won the EL with them. Benitez also won the EL.
Tuchel is a top quality manager today. Not world class, perhaps, but he is a great tactician.
When Arsenal fans talk about not wanting to follow Chelsea's route of chopping and changing managers, they fail to recognize that consistency and continuation comes from a certain level. At Arsenal, it was Wenger. At Chelsea, it's a hands-on owner and their DoF.
City have had four managers since the take-over but their consistency and vision comes from their DoF.
Unlike those clubs, we have gone from Wenger to Gazidis to Raul to Edu/Mikel. There's no continuation whatsoever.
We have a trifecta of rookies running Arsenal: Arteta as our manager, Edu as the DoF/TD, and Josh Kroenke as the de facto overseer of Arsenal.
I'm digressing.
Tuchel is a proven manager. Chelsea fans don't have to worry about word salads or PR. If Tuchel doesn't cut it, he will be sacked. Meanwhile, at Arsenal, we seem to want a Wenger-esque figure—minus the authority—yet, have handed the keys of our future to three inexperienced men.
It hasn't worked, thus far.
Any manager is replaceable. We simply can't make that manager our project over the club's future.
by Angelito » Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:44 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:It's way too early for this Tuchel stuff.
Whenever Chelsea have hired a world class or top quality coach, they have gone on to win things. Jose with those multiple league titles; Ancelotti with the double; Conte with the League and FA Cup, they have been winners. Sarri, who might not be at those levels, won the EL with them. Benitez also won the EL.
Tuchel is a top quality manager today. Not world class, perhaps, but he is a great tactician.
When Arsenal fans talk about not wanting to follow Chelsea's route of chopping and changing managers, they fail to recognize that consistency and continuation comes from a certain level. At Arsenal, it was Wenger. At Chelsea, it's a hands-on owner and their DoF.
City have had four managers since the take-over but their consistency and vision comes from their DoF.
Unlike those clubs, we have gone from Wenger to Gazidis to Raul to Edu/Mikel. There's no continuation whatsoever.
We have a trifecta of rookies running Arsenal: Arteta as our manager, Edu as the DoF/TD, and Josh Kroenke as the de facto overseer of Arsenal.
I'm digressing.
Tuchel is a proven manager. Chelsea fans don't have to worry about word salads or PR. If Tuchel doesn't cut it, he will be sacked. Meanwhile, at Arsenal, we seem to want a Wenger-esque figure—minus the authority—yet, have handed the keys of our future to three inexperienced men.
It hasn't worked, thus far.
Any manager is replaceable. We simply can't make that manager our project over the club's future.
Agree with most of that but it's still too early to declare Tuchel a success after 8 games. I'm not questioning his ability as a coach or potential at Chelsea. I'd have preferred we had taken him on and sacked Arteta but that didn't happen. But it just seems insane to declare anything after such a short period.
by Power n Glory » Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:07 pm
Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:It's way too early for this Tuchel stuff.
Whenever Chelsea have hired a world class or top quality coach, they have gone on to win things. Jose with those multiple league titles; Ancelotti with the double; Conte with the League and FA Cup, they have been winners. Sarri, who might not be at those levels, won the EL with them. Benitez also won the EL.
Tuchel is a top quality manager today. Not world class, perhaps, but he is a great tactician.
When Arsenal fans talk about not wanting to follow Chelsea's route of chopping and changing managers, they fail to recognize that consistency and continuation comes from a certain level. At Arsenal, it was Wenger. At Chelsea, it's a hands-on owner and their DoF.
City have had four managers since the take-over but their consistency and vision comes from their DoF.
Unlike those clubs, we have gone from Wenger to Gazidis to Raul to Edu/Mikel. There's no continuation whatsoever.
We have a trifecta of rookies running Arsenal: Arteta as our manager, Edu as the DoF/TD, and Josh Kroenke as the de facto overseer of Arsenal.
I'm digressing.
Tuchel is a proven manager. Chelsea fans don't have to worry about word salads or PR. If Tuchel doesn't cut it, he will be sacked. Meanwhile, at Arsenal, we seem to want a Wenger-esque figure—minus the authority—yet, have handed the keys of our future to three inexperienced men.
It hasn't worked, thus far.
Any manager is replaceable. We simply can't make that manager our project over the club's future.
Agree with most of that but it's still too early to declare Tuchel a success after 8 games. I'm not questioning his ability as a coach or potential at Chelsea. I'd have preferred we had taken him on and sacked Arteta but that didn't happen. But it just seems insane to declare anything after such a short period.
Oh definitely.
My point is—even if Tuchel wins all the remaining games as Chelsea coach, but fails to meet their objectives, he will be sacked.
Meanwhile, at Arsenal, that doesn't apply. We will still hear fans talking about how we have the worst squad in the Prem—hyperbole of course—and how Arteta is doing a good job with such an abysmal squad.
I don't blame Arteta.
We've made him the project as opposed to Arsenal FC. It's not really his fault.