theHotHead wrote:Like I said previously, both UFGN and Jedi have valid points that shouldn't be dismissed, of course they will give greater credence to their own point of view, its normal.
What I will say in counter to UFGN is, the character of the football fan that goes to games is way different now to what it was 13 years ago when I had my season ticket, even then it had turned very corporate. There are lots of fans that are not even football people that go to games, the diehards are few in number.
I would say 70% of the people at football matches shouldn't be there, I don't think they are representative of proper football fans who have lived football, the tribalism, from they were young, so they don't have their finger on the pulse of old school football fans like me.
But you are doing exactly what @UFGN did to @jedi.
You have put yourself in this position of dictating who and should be a real fan / Supporter..
Who gave you the authority to dictate to anyone what type of fan should at these football matches? You even put a percentage on it: “70%” of the people at football matches shouldn’t be there”. Smh
And then you went even farther by nominating yourself as a great example of a true / real football fan. So individuals like yourself should be the objective the template that every other football fan should be measured / guaged from? Some sort of PURITY TEST?
This way of reasoning and thinking reminds me of how politics, religion, tradition, etc are interpreted by people.
I don’t know if you follow religion or not. For example: Every Christian denomination / sect will assure you that they are the real / true Christians while the other Sects are all false and not following the true Christianity. We have more than 10,000 different Christian sects / denominations. Each will assure you that they are the true / real Christians while their opponents are the fake ones..
Same with Islam. We have different sects that don’t agree with one another. One muslim will assure the next Muslim that they are not following the true Islam. “I am the one that is following Islam correctly” Etc kind of thing..
In politics. I don’t know if you have been following American and European politics for the last 15 or so years. In the US, different Republicans / Conservatives etc keep accusing one another of not being true Conservatives or Republicans. Hence the Maga / Trump faction vs The Establishment Republicans. Same with the Democrat. The progressives / Leftists and Moderate / establishment Democrat are also accusing each other of not being true Democrats. Each faction will assure you that it’s representing the real Democrat party.
The same with Labour and the Conservatives in the UK. The Jeremy Corbyn wing accuses the Establishment (Keir Starmer) wing of not representing the true Labour.
Football fans are no different. For example The AFTV “The Late Claude vs Ty” cringe fest..
What point am I trying to convey here. This business of dismissing other subjective fans opinion and then trying to put our own subjective opinion as the “Real objective” one makes me cringe. No one has the authority to tell another football fan or an Arsenal fan that their subjective opinion hold less weight then the self nominated “Local, organic, Real old school, True arsenal fans.
The only person / people that can may be dictate who a real or true Arsenal fan should be are those Munitions Workers from the year 1886 led by our original Captain (David Danskin) who all chipped in a few pennies to found Arsenal FC formerly known as Dial Square Football Club and later “Royal Arsenal”. Or Henry Norris that transformed us in 1912 by moving us from Woolwich to Highbury (North London).
This business of dismissing other Arsenal / Football fans is ridiculous.
Only these guys may be can dictate??.
The Munitions.
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And this guy: Henry Norris
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