Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[theHotHead]

The same goes for Ozil, he had absolute dross on the pitch with him. We were crying out for a proper DM to allow Ozil to flourish but instead he had a bucket of mediocrity next to him - Arteta, then up top Giroud !!

Ozil never got a decent DM to play alongside so we never got to see the best of him. FFS Welbeck came in at some point (so did Sanchez) but it was mostly dross in the Arsenal team at that point.

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Like I said AW tried to play everything through cesc.
You have a front line of Sanchez welbeck and Theo three of the fastest players in the league and play tippy tappy lol guy had no clue

[DiamondGooner]

Interesting how we get better as soon as Odegard returns. Yet it wasn’t that long ago that the football gods told us the number ten position is dead. Wonder what position Odegard plays.

Literally only idiots and Ozil haters said that.

Odegaard plays attacking no8 tbf.

We play 4-3-3 Ode is RCM

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Interesting how we get better as soon as Odegard returns. Yet it wasn’t that long ago that the football gods told us the number ten position is dead. Wonder what position Odegard plays.

Literally only idiots and Ozil haters said that.

Odegaard plays attacking no8 tbf.

We play 4-3-3 Ode is RCM

lol…attacking number 8 is basically a 10. What’s the difference?

[DiamondGooner]

Interesting how we get better as soon as Odegard returns. Yet it wasn’t that long ago that the football gods told us the number ten position is dead. Wonder what position Odegard plays.

Literally only idiots and Ozil haters said that.

Odegaard plays attacking no8 tbf.

We play 4-3-3 Ode is RCM

lol…attacking number 8 is basically a 10. What’s the difference?

Difference is the expectation on tracking back, tackling and manning opposition players, not just sitting behind the forwards.

This is what Odegaard added to his game when he joined the prem and what's made him the player he is today and why he's trippled in value.

.......its the exact aspects Ozil as a traditional no10 couldn't get to grips with and we all saw it and why it led to a breakdown with Arsenal, he just wasn't built that way.

The game has changed.....no10's either need to become attacking no8's or become CF's, unless the formation is 4-2-3-1 for example.

Odegaard and Havertz are prime examples of no10's who needed to adapt.

A lot of teams play 4-3-3 .....that system has no no10 spot.
Uniteds 3-4-2-1 has two AM / WF slots.

Depends on the system.

[ag6789]

Basically, no.6 is a DM or a deep lying CM, with major defensive responsibilities and covering the back four . Occasionally makes runs up field or helps out in attack. No 8. Is a box to box midfielder ( attack/ defense almost 50/50). No.10 is a mostly a attacking player operating up field with defensive duties like marking, tracking, tackling, pressing ,etc, mostly in the top third of the field.
Now, in modern football, these roles get blurred since full backs and wingers also defend and attack and sometimes interchange positions with others.
Also, depends on the individual ball playing capacities. The Brazilian CBs from the 80d and 90s like Julio Ceaser, Oskar, Luizinho, were so good that they often made runs from the deep and took part in attack ; were able to beat number of opponents with their dribbles,feints,dodges. Not to talk of their famed full backs Junior, Joshimer, Branco, Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Maicon, Dani Alvez, etc

[theHotHead]

DG Odegaard used to track back when he first joined we saw that, he did plenty of running, it was just that his creativity wasn't quite coming off at first.

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Interesting how we get better as soon as Odegard returns. Yet it wasn’t that long ago that the football gods told us the number ten position is dead. Wonder what position Odegard plays.

Literally only idiots and Ozil haters said that.

Odegaard plays attacking no8 tbf.

We play 4-3-3 Ode is RCM

lol…attacking number 8 is basically a 10. What’s the difference?

Difference is the expectation on tracking back, tackling and manning opposition players, not just sitting behind the forwards.

This is what Odegaard added to his game when he joined the prem and what's made him the player he is today and why he's trippled in value.

.......its the exact aspects Ozil as a traditional no10 couldn't get to grips with and we all saw it and why it led to a breakdown with Arsenal, he just wasn't built that way.

The game has changed.....no10's either need to become attacking no8's or become CF's, unless the formation is 4-2-3-1 for example.

Odegaard and Havertz are prime examples of no10's who needed to adapt.

A lot of teams play 4-3-3 .....that system has no no10 spot.
Uniteds 3-4-2-1 has two AM / WF slots.

Depends on the system.

Don’t disagree with what you’ve written. Difference between Ozil and Odegard is Ozil worked across both flanks. Odegard stays on the right in support of Saka. Given we play 433 it necessitates a full back tucking into the left. It’s made our left flank useless.

[ag6789]

Main difference between Odegaard and Ozil is, Odegaard does plenty of off the ball work like pressing, tracking and tackling which were basically non existent for Ozil. Ozil's 95% of the game was on the ball. He became a passenger when we didn't have the ball. He didn't even care to come down and close down on the opponent attackers, not to talk about challenging them.
That used to put huge pressure on his full back and the midfielder behind him.

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Main difference between Odegaard and Ozil is, Odegaard does plenty of off the ball work like pressing, tracking and tackling which were basically non existent for Ozil. Ozil's 95% of the game was on the ball. He became a passenger when we didn't have the ball. He didn't even care to come down and close down on the opponent attackers, not to talk about challenging them.
That used to put huge pressure on his full back and the midfielder behind him.

Laziest analysis of Ozils game ever. Ozil’s work off the ball was finding pockets of space. His value was to play the final ball to strikers and for that he went in search of openings . And he did that better than anyone in the business. It is modern day managers who believe every attacking player should fight to win the ball back because they are tactically inept. Bergkamp didn’t drop back and neither did Ozil and both were brilliant for us.

[ag6789]

Those are The Ozil myth that are being dispelled of now.
We were more successful in the period between '13 to '17 due the work rate of Cazorla, Ramsey and Sanchez. Ozil' s performance, barring '14, '15 looks dismal now; both as goals creator and scorer.
Odegaard has already ahead in the scoring department,and his assists numbers are very much on the rise, year by year. A really effective player, Odegaard, all over, right now. No question about it.

[DiamondGooner]

DG Odegaard used to track back when he first joined we saw that, he did plenty of running, it was just that his creativity wasn't quite coming off at first.

He wasn't as strong on the ball as he is now, he started to make those physical adjustments the summer when we signed him permanently.

Nobody was that excited about signing him if you remember, it was very much a meh reaction.

[DiamondGooner]

Interesting how we get better as soon as Odegard returns. Yet it wasn’t that long ago that the football gods told us the number ten position is dead. Wonder what position Odegard plays.

Literally only idiots and Ozil haters said that.

Odegaard plays attacking no8 tbf.

We play 4-3-3 Ode is RCM

lol…attacking number 8 is basically a 10. What’s the difference?

Difference is the expectation on tracking back, tackling and manning opposition players, not just sitting behind the forwards.

This is what Odegaard added to his game when he joined the prem and what's made him the player he is today and why he's trippled in value.

.......its the exact aspects Ozil as a traditional no10 couldn't get to grips with and we all saw it and why it led to a breakdown with Arsenal, he just wasn't built that way.

The game has changed.....no10's either need to become attacking no8's or become CF's, unless the formation is 4-2-3-1 for example.

Odegaard and Havertz are prime examples of no10's who needed to adapt.

A lot of teams play 4-3-3 .....that system has no no10 spot.
Uniteds 3-4-2-1 has two AM / WF slots.

Depends on the system.

Don’t disagree with what you’ve written. Difference between Ozil and Odegard is Ozil worked across both flanks. Odegard stays on the right in support of Saka. Given we play 433 it necessitates a full back tucking into the left. It’s made our left flank useless.

Our left flank being inferior is down to two reasons really, Odegaard being a former CAM is simply better on the ball and more creative than Rice, as is Saka much better technically than Martinelli, that combined means all our top play is on the right.

Our left is more physical, Martinelli has the pace and Rice is the no8 enforcer.

The whirling triangle passes of Ode, Saka and Timber are what has made our team tick since Odes return.

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he's been sacked?