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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 1:39 pm

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alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
TedLasso wrote:I'm happy with winning 25+ games every season, pushing our points total higher year over year, while I get to drink a pint and watch Saka, Rice, Odegaard, Saliba, and Ben White every week.

All you do is whine like a spoiled toddler. But hey, whatever makes you happy, right?


Points total is bs since it doesn't equate to a trophy.


How do they determine who gets the PL trophy at the end of the season?

LOL !!

I can't believe he said that ! Come on Alexis, how do you expect to be taken seriously posting stuff like that !!


Valuing a stat that's meaningless is a low mentality. the same mentality that has seen us flounder for years.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Nuggets » Wed May 15, 2024 1:43 pm

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TedLasso wrote:Funny because only one of us is even talking about the wins. All you have is Trophy Envy.

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Why not?

So the club doesn't have any real financial issues, has excellent infrastructure, and can attract high-value sponsorships. Two actual countries sponsor us - Rwanda via Visit Rwanda and the UAE through Emirates. We've got a name that two literal countries sponsor us, yet we shouldn't expect success or at least be consistently competing. looool. Not as if the many millions of Gooners who buy shirts and merch every year doesn't boost our coffers. There are clubs with multiple champions leagues that don't have our global presence, like Porto, Nottm. Forest, etc.

And it's not as if the point of moving to our current stadium wasn't to compete at a higher level, based off the Wenger successes. oh no.

So yeah, how dare us demand a lot. Not as if we don't have the history to warrant such high demands. Not as if only Man United and Liverpool has won more leagues than us in English footballing history.


No one has a problem with WANTING trophies. It's the "Trophy or Burn It All Down" mentality that reeks of desperation from infantile "fans" who don't know the first thing about competition.

You speak like it's OWED to you, just because we've got money and you're impatient. Newsflash, the world doesn't work that way. You have to fight and claw just to get yourself in position to win and now that we have, you want to hit the reset button and restart the project again? Daft morons.

Here are the facts:

- Arsenal have won 25+ games in back to back seasons, which we haven't done since the 04-05 seasons.
- When we beat Everton on Sunday, we'll stand at 89 points, our second highest total ever. Which means Arteta now has two of the five best PL seasons in club history.
- 3rd highest goal differential in club history
- Most goals scored in a 38-match PL season in club history already
- 4th fewest goals allowed in a 38-match PL season in club history


Everything about the club is on the way up, improving year over year, and you want to blow it up before the summit? The only people who agree with that are losers and the Spuds. Which one are you?



....and still hasn't won FA. ;) I am only speaking for myself but that means sweet FA unless you actually win something.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby ag6789 » Wed May 15, 2024 1:46 pm

There's no floundering now. We will keep these numbers in the next 4-5 yrs. Young , vibrant group of players ,well drilled and balanced.That's the goal and that's happening. These numbers will get us trophies.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Wed May 15, 2024 1:49 pm

At the start of the season we all wanted trophies. Has anyone ever said we want the club record for most wins?

Most wins record and no trophy is a failure

No record but a trophy? Will take this every time.

Some wouldn't.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 1:49 pm

OK, so if we're valuing bullshit stats, then is there any guarantee that Arteta will use these "trophies" of "highest points" or "fewest goals" to win something?

Will we challenge for the league again next season? possibly. Will Arteta learn and improve? maybe. it's all maybes and possibilities and "he might do". Just give the job to a more experienced manager at the top level and with his know-how it would better challenge Pep.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby ag6789 » Wed May 15, 2024 2:17 pm

The world rotates around ' Maybes'.
Is there any guarantee the next manager will get us 80+ pts and a trophy? Maybe not!
So, people's options are to grab the best possibilities. At this moment, the way Arsenal are progressing, provides us with the likeliest route to success and trophies. Any alterations will bring back chaos and instability and nobody wants it, more so the sane owners....from All Clubs. Stability and progress is what any Business owner looks for, be it Etihad, KSE, FSG and others.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed May 15, 2024 2:32 pm

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
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alexis2015finalgoal wrote:He has to hope Spurs dont lose to City and then beat Everton to keep his job.

A better manager with more experience would push us over the line. Considering we already have many good players in our side.

Lots of our players are in their early to mid-20s, and a few are in their late 20s like Trossard and Raya (I count him as our player as it's obvious we'll pay Brentford the fee to keep him as ours). We can either hope Arteta "comes good" or get a manager who won't learn on the job and will put into place what he's learnt on the job.

If KSE has sense and balls, they'd do this:

- Sound out Conte
- Get to Ancelotti's agent and see if he'd be willing to leave Real Madrid, even though they're the world's biggest club, La Liga champions and possibly 15 times CL winners very soon. Worst he can say is "no". Though he might want to try himself in the PL again, since Everton was a bad fit and we have more resources and are a bigger club overall. RM change their managers at will, and even if they win big stuff. Look at how they sacked Hunckyes after he won their first CL since the Puskas/di Stefano days.
- Sound out Inzaghi
- Get in touch with Tuchel's agent
- Sound out Simeone

All of these managers have won leagues before, and don't need to "learn on the job still".

Tuchel is shit !


he's won trophies. Is he elite, as in Pep or Ancelotti levels? Possibly not. Doesn't matter. Most competent managers are not at their level. Emery is competent but not elite. Same with Brendan Rodgers, Simeone, or Inzaghi.

Oh leave off!! He won the German Cup with Dortmund, he won the league with PSG - any one of us could do the same. He won some cups at Chelsea but was shit in the league, he won the Bundesliga with Bayern - again, any one of us could do the same!


He won the CL at Chelsea which is something we haven't won. Emery was good enough for us to hire off winning Ligue 1. what's the difference? I said he's not elite, but he's still good. he's better equipped thanthe manager you love who is still a baby compared to many other managers in the game.

You should realise Pep has won the Bundesliga. So by your own logic, Guardiola is rubbish. So did Ancelotti. You haven't really made a point.

Di Matteo won the CL at Chelsea - not a great feat when you have a team of top players at the club.

Emery is elite, he was elite when we hired him, to win 3 Europa League titles with Sevilla is fantastic. He wasn't given time at Arsenal, fair enough, that doesn't make him a bad manager, just wasn't a good fit.

Anyone and his dog can win the Bundesliga with Bayern FFS, come on dude. What gave Ancelotti his stripes were the CL wins with AC Milan, he then followed it up with his performances at Real. Ok, I have used the argument that Ancelotti only manages the biggest/richest teams in the respective leagues so its no wonder he wins titles, same with Pep. The difference between Pep and Ancelotti is Pep takes that top team and has them like they are on steroids, Ancelotti can't do that, thats why I rate Pep as the best of the best.


No, Emery isn't elite. He hasn't won the biggest trophies. Most clubs that have won the EL over the past decades have been middle-tier European clubs, or at the most big clubs in their own countries only. The exceptions are Man U and Chelsea but Sevilla, Eintracht, Villareal, etc. are not massive clubs in a Europe-wide sense. Emery hasn't won a big European league like the Premier League or La Liga. I never said he's shit. I said he's not elite, since his record isn't such.

Tuchel has won trophies before, and one crap season at Bayern doesn't mean he's finished. He would do a better job than Arteta given his experience. We know what he's about and Arteta is STILL learning.

When Klopp went to Liverpool he was classed as elite. Klopp had won the Bundesliga, Emery had won Ligue 1. Tell me the difference ? If anything Emery was more elite than Klopp because of those triple Europa League trophies.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed May 15, 2024 2:35 pm

Ach wrote:Seems like some would rather finish 2nd with 89 points than win the title with 78 points.

Finding out who the spuds are on here for sure

Mate your arument makes no damn sense !

If Arteta is getting more points than previous winners of the league how can you be criticising him ??? What am I missing ?

Its pure bad luck that he probably won;t win the league again this season.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby 22-0 » Wed May 15, 2024 2:37 pm

bad luck? he got it all wrong vs aston villa with his selection that made us lose the lead over city.

We also started the season with that horrible havertz in midfield formation.. yet he learned nothing from it.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 2:40 pm

We've had too many games this season with inconsistent performances. We played well in the first half at Villa. We should have beaten Bayern over both legs. We played West Ham off the park at home. that's all on the manager.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed May 15, 2024 2:45 pm

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
TedLasso wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
TedLasso wrote:I'm happy with winning 25+ games every season, pushing our points total higher year over year, while I get to drink a pint and watch Saka, Rice, Odegaard, Saliba, and Ben White every week.

All you do is whine like a spoiled toddler. But hey, whatever makes you happy, right?


Points total is bs since it doesn't equate to a trophy.


How do they determine who gets the PL trophy at the end of the season?

LOL !!

I can't believe he said that ! Come on Alexis, how do you expect to be taken seriously posting stuff like that !!


Valuing a stat that's meaningless is a low mentality. the same mentality that has seen us flounder for years.

Points is the only stat that maters, it is it that determines who wins the league. Its the most meaningful stat there is in LEague football
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby TedLasso » Wed May 15, 2024 2:46 pm

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....and still hasn't won FA. ;) I am only speaking for myself but that means sweet FA unless you actually win something.


He will, possibly as soon as this weekend. Only a matter of time.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed May 15, 2024 2:47 pm

Ach wrote:At the start of the season we all wanted trophies. Has anyone ever said we want the club record for most wins?

Most wins record and no trophy is a failure

No record but a trophy? Will take this every time.

Some wouldn't.

Most wins tells us the manager is doing somehting right and if the manager continues to do things right we will win stuff.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed May 15, 2024 2:50 pm

22-0 wrote:bad luck? he got it all wrong vs aston villa with his selection that made us lose the lead over city.

We also started the season with that horrible havertz in midfield formation.. yet he learned nothing from it.

Yesh - tell me who is perfect FFS ?!!!

Listen to your agument, you are fuming that he put Havertz back into midfield from CF where he was doing really well, I agree. But its the same manager that bought Havertz that none of us wanted and that all of us bar Jay thought was shit - until he played at CF.

The point I am making is perhaps Arteta saw something/had an idea that he thought would work. Yes he f***ked up, but who is perfect at their job ? I am bloody fantastic at mine ... but I am certainly not perfect.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby 22-0 » Wed May 15, 2024 2:52 pm

theHotHead wrote:
22-0 wrote:bad luck? he got it all wrong vs aston villa with his selection that made us lose the lead over city.

We also started the season with that horrible havertz in midfield formation.. yet he learned nothing from it.

Yesh - tell me who is perfect FFS ?!!!

Listen to your agument, you are fuming that he put Havertz back into midfield from CF where he was doing really well, I agree. But its the same manager that bought Havertz that none of us wanted and that all of us bar Jay thought was shit - until he played at CF.

The point I am making is perhaps Arteta saw something/had an idea that he thought would work. Yes he f***ked up, but who is perfect at their job ? I am bloody fantastic at mine ... but I am certainly not perfect.


whos fuming? im just pointing out he made a giant mistake he already knew that wouldn't work on previous games.. you even agree yet defend it. You say its bad luck but its not.
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