Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[Salibatelli]

England got really lucky in both tournaments, all the top sides with the best players literally collapsed and didn’t perform so their side of the draw was pretty straightforward

England played Germany but this was a Germany side schooled by France and minutes away who could only draw with Hungary, Germany under Lowe were finished after the last World Cup, they kept him on and paid the price, it’s the price you pay for keeping a manager too long, something Arsenal is guilty of and doing again with Arteta.

[Santi]

Whilst Germany were far from what we've seen in previous years;

1) They were not schooled by France, if anything they were the better team but conceded an unfortunate OG. France were also the favourite so doesn't say much anyway.
2) They destroyed Portugal in the second half, also one of the favourites for the tournament.
3) Yeah shit vs Hungary but clawed through.
4) Odd way of dragging our current manager in for no reason lol.

Otherwise agree, yes England did have a fairly easy route in both tournaments. Not like they didn't hold their own in the final against the team in the best form during the tournament though.

[Phil71]

Whilst Germany were far from what we've seen in previous years;

1) They were not schooled by France, if anything they were the better team but conceded an unfortunate OG. France were also the favourite so doesn't say much anyway.
2) They destroyed Portugal in the second half, also one of the favourites for the tournament.
3) Yeah shit vs Hungary but clawed through.
4) Odd way of dragging our current manager in for no reason lol.

Otherwise agree, yes England did have a fairly easy route in both tournaments. Not like they didn't hold their own in the final against the team in the best form during the tournament though.

That's the whole aim of the discussion for some.

It's the whole aim of half the discussions on here. Only a matter of time before we get a thread in the politics forum, "Arteta responsible for world famine."

[Salibatelli]

Oh I forgot this isn’t a thread about Arteta, my mistake.

My point is that clubs/countries that keep a manager on when things aren’t working pay the price, France have done the same with Deschamps, they have the best squad but an awful manager so unless they get lucky they’ll get dumped out of the next tournament as well. You guys advocate keeping someone on when it’s not working but it just causes more damage in the long run, your best bet is to get rid as soon as possible and find someone else if you want to progress and get success.

Chelsea have done it very successfully, you guys might not like it but it works and for me it’s preferable to watching a manager having a car crash and then giving him another go and then sitting through another car crash summer!

As for Germany vs France, I watched the match and France were by far the better sides, they had a couple goals ruled out as well and really were much better than Germany.

The only decent game Germany played was against Portugal, they got really lucky to make the knockouts, Hungary almost knocked them out.

[Phil71]

I was buying some bananas the other day in Sainsburys and I thought these are a bit expensive. We should never have hired Arteta. I said right from the word go, don't go to Sainsburys and expect a decent price on fresh fruit & veg whilst he has the job. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. If we had someone else -anyone else - there's no doubt that the price of bananas and even apples would be much more competitive.

[Ach]

Got to love the never Artetas fault brigade.

As for England, far better than we used to be even if I'm not entirely happy with Southgate. Couldn't give a shit who we face and beat either. Not our fault better teams can't get that far to face us.

In other words, Arteta out.

[jayramfootball]

Oh I forgot this isn’t a thread about Arteta, my mistake.

My point is that clubs/countries that keep a manager on when things aren’t working pay the price, France have done the same with Deschamps, they have the best squad but an awful manager so unless they get lucky they’ll get dumped out of the next tournament as well. You guys advocate keeping someone on when it’s not working but it just causes more damage in the long run, your best bet is to get rid as soon as possible and find someone else if you want to progress and get success.

Chelsea have done it very successfully, you guys might not like it but it works and for me it’s preferable to watching a manager having a car crash and then giving him another go and then sitting through another car crash summer!

As for Germany vs France, I watched the match and France were by far the better sides, they had a couple goals ruled out as well and really were much better than Germany.

The only decent game Germany played was against Portugal, they got really lucky to make the knockouts, Hungary almost knocked them out.

If it was so easy to get to a final, then the so-called wonder gods of France would have done it.
They got beaten by Switzerland.
If England are lucky, then France are just sh*t (especially their defence, by the way, which was utter crap in that game - including the demi God Varane.. who we missed out because of Arteta, of course).

Bottom line is that England got to the final and the improvements in the fortunes of our national team is down to the player development that was started in earnest nearly a decade ago, both at Premier League level and the FA.
All the crap being hurled at the England national team is purely down to the fact we signed Ben White and , of course, he has to be crap because Arteta signed him.
I am sure if his name was Benjamin Whitinho and we'd missed out on his signing we'd have missed out on a superstar and it would have been all Arteta's fault too.

[Santi]

I was buying some bananas the other day in Sainsburys and I thought these are a bit expensive. We should never have hired Arteta. I said right from the word go, don't go to Sainsburys and expect a decent price on fresh fruit & veg whilst he has the job. I don't see how anyone can say otherwise. If we had someone else -anyone else - there's no doubt that the price of bananas and even apples would be much more competitive.

[Santi]

As for Germany vs France, I watched the match and France were by far the better sides, they had a couple goals ruled out as well and really were much better than Germany.

CBA with the rest but then we have very different views on football. France just sat back for the entire game after the OG and offered nothing.

Neither were particularly impressive but overall Germany were the ones trying to take the game to France (no surprise being 1-0 down).

[DiamondGooner]

This window and pre-season has secured that I'll be Arteta Out firmly and forever.

No chances now, why? because absolutely nothings changed and he's deluded, he doesn't even want change, Xhaka new contract, Bellerin new contract.

No new faces in the starting 11, same formation ........... same BS

He literally thinks there's nothing wrong with a team who finished 8th.

[Phil71]

As for Germany vs France, I watched the match and France were by far the better sides, they had a couple goals ruled out as well and really were much better than Germany.

CBA with the rest but then we have very different views on football. France just sat back for the entire game after the OG and offered nothing.

Neither were particularly impressive but overall Germany were the ones trying to take the game to France (no surprise being 1-0 down).

Technically France were the best team at the tournament and should have won it.

Why didn't they? Because for the most part they're a bunch of self-entitled prima-donnas who think they just have to turn up.

[Salibatelli]

No they didn’t win it because they’ve got a terrible manager.

You’d be amazed the impact having a bad manager can have, France should have sacked him, sadly they kept him on.

[Arsenal Tone]

If our only other first XI signings are Maddison and Ramsdale then I can't see Arteta still being in charge in December.

I hope i'm wrong and we're fighting for top four but just can't see it.

[jayramfootball]

No they didn’t win it because they’ve got a terrible manager.

You’d be amazed the impact having a bad manager can have, France should have sacked him, sadly they kept him on.

Nah, they were just crap in the game vs Switzerland.
After thinking they'd won they decided to preen and got their asses kicked out of the tournament.
Being a great player and a great team also involves character, something the French players in the their national team lack.

[jayramfootball]

This window and pre-season has secured that I'll be Arteta Out firmly and forever.

No chances now, why? because absolutely nothings changed and he's deluded, he doesn't even want change, Xhaka new contract, Bellerin new contract.

No new faces in the starting 11, same formation ........... same BS

He literally thinks there's nothing wrong with a team who finished 8th.

It will be a great season if the same team put together a full season of the form they've shown since Christmas.
That said - we already have one new starter in ben White. He'll start 30 games plus this year.
Sambi is likely to start quite a few games too given Partey's injury record.

You're boxing yourself into a corner saying 'Arteta Out firmly and forever'.
What if we have a good season?
I think we will, by the way.