Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[Salibatelli]

Chelsea not happy with a manager because performances and results aren’t up to scratch and they just sack him.

Arsenal watch the worst start and to a season in 40 years, together with terrible performances and sit on their hands and come out and praise the manager.

Someone has it wrong.

The good news is that if we go on a ridiculously long unbeaten run where we win all our games, we can still make top 4.

It’s our best start in two years now

Except we’re half way through the season and it’s not a start anymore, oh and we’re still 11th.

Yes it’s halfway through the season and it’s our most points in two years not our worst in 40
I am not happy with arteta
But I don’t feel the need to express it in every post
I trust the good people on this forum to recognise how people feel without the need to drone on about a point

It was our worst start in about 40 years that is the facts I’m afraid.

Last season was a disaster and you’re making a comparison against an awful season no one in their right minds would be happy with.

Arteta is a disaster those are the facts, there’s been zero progress with him in charge and the football is generally terrible, his decision making and man management are also amateurish.

We should have never given this guy the job, we did and this is where we are now in an awful position.

He 100% should have been sacked by now, just like Lampard has been at Chelsea, when standards slip you get the sack, that’s how it works in top level football.

Sack him, put it down to experience and move on and find someone more suitable to improve you.

[Angelito]

Bottom half of the table, out of the cup. No chance of top 4 and no chance of beating benfica. Manager stays.

5 points off top 4, still in CL and the cup, manager sacked.

Which team would you rather be?

While I believe Arteta should go, you also have to look at the ambition of both clubs.

Chelsea strives for the title. Arsenal, today, aspires to be Everton under Moyes. Words may not pronounce such a goal, but actions do.

I fear a lot of Gooners will be disenchanted in a few years' time, especially the ones used to UCL football.

At this stage, Arteta looks like a manager who will do enough to challenge for Europe but won't take us beyond that.

His first eleven has failed. It took some catastrophe for ESR, Martinelli, and Saka to stake their claim.

Even when you analyze the situation, the academy products grew under Wenger's vision. Emery gave them ample chances.

Arteta hasn't shown much faith in youngsters. His preferred line-up was the Soton one. It's only that the circumstances have flipped.

It's about ambition. The club dreams about becoming a top-4 regular, yet underestimates how difficult it is to be one. There's serious cognitive dissonance within Arsenal.

[starmandb]

Absolute nonsense about wenger fielding youth in his first 58 games
Bit fed up posting comparisons
They get ignored only for the same shit to keep being repeated

[Power n Glory]

Bottom half of the table, out of the cup. No chance of top 4 and no chance of beating benfica. Manager stays.

5 points off top 4, still in CL and the cup, manager sacked.

Which team would you rather be?

While I believe Arteta should go, you also have to look at the ambition of both clubs.

Chelsea strives for the title. Arsenal, today, aspires to be Everton under Moyes. Words may not pronounce such a goal, but actions do.

I fear a lot of Gooners will be disenchanted in a few years' time, especially the ones used to UCL football.

At this stage, Arteta looks like a manager who will do enough to challenge for Europe but won't take us beyond that.

His first eleven has failed. It took some catastrophe for ESR, Martinelli, and Saka to stake their claim.

Even when you analyze the situation, the academy products grew under Wenger's vision. Emery gave them ample chances.

Arteta hasn't shown much faith in youngsters. His preferred line-up was the Soton one. It's only that the circumstances have flipped.

It's about ambition. The club dreams about becoming a top-4 regular, yet underestimates how difficult it is to be one. There's serious cognitive dissonance within Arsenal.

Good point about the Southampton game. If we had gone out of the Cup trying more of our Academy kids or even Chambers who hasn’t featured in ages, then fair enough. Instead it was just a mix of underperforming senior players. The kids won't have many more opportunities to play this season unless it's forced upon us.

[starmandb]

Wenger lost at home to Leeds in the fa cup in his first 58 games
He played 4 young players
Just like on Saturday
We went out the game cup that we had won in arteta’s first 58 game away from home
A run that featured 10 players 23 or under
If you pop off your own team then do it with a basis of truth

[Phil71]

Absolute nonsense about wenger fielding youth in his first 58 games
Bit fed up posting comparisons
They get ignored only for the same shit to keep being repeated

You're wasting your time.

They've made up their minds for whatever reason (leaving Ozil out of the team for many of them) and won't let up about it.

[Yago]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

[VCC]

Absolute nonsense about wenger fielding youth in his first 58 games
Bit fed up posting comparisons
They get ignored only for the same shit to keep being repeated

You're wasting your time.

They've made up their minds for whatever reason (leaving Ozil out of the team for many of them) and won't let up about it.

Exactly this

[ag6789]

It is impossible to field the same 11 day in and day out. More so with teens like Saka, Martinelli, ESR. They aren't hardened professionals yet and need to be nurtured carefully. Also underperforming Willian and Pepe need to be played regularly until replacements( seniors for seniors ) arrive.
They are paid for it and efforts have to be made to get the best out of them.
A defeat against an in-form Soton tastes bad but we need to take it on the chin and move on. After all this is how transition looks like. Win some lose some.

[starmandb]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

And why have these youth players become an integral part of the first team
Is it because arsenal have always been a progressive club for giving youth a chance?
If there is a development league for under 23 players why are they not considered young
It’s the collective doom of everything’s shit

[Yago]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

And why have these youth players become an integral part of the first team
Is it because arsenal have always been a progressive club for giving youth a chance?
If there is a development league for under 23 players why are they not considered young
It’s the collective doom of everything’s shit

Saka and Martinelli are Emery pruducts, nothing to do with Arteta. ESR only got his chance against Chelsea because there was no one else. Had WIllian not been injured, we'd still have been playing him over ESR.

This isn't all "doom and gloom", we just want to continue that tradition, and seeing Willian and Pepe fail again and again while not giving the youth a go is frustrating.

[Power n Glory]

Absolute nonsense about wenger fielding youth in his first 58 games
Bit fed up posting comparisons
They get ignored only for the same shit to keep being repeated

The random facts you post lack context. I can't see where anyone says Wenger was fielding youth in his first 58 games. Also, the Academy system Wenger inherited wasn't the same as what what Arteta has. We weren't producing British attacking talent like Smith Rowe and Saka. We were way behind other European clubs in that area which is why Wenger spent his early years poaching young players from other clubs. Also, Wenger wasn't struggling to establish an attacking brand of football and this wasn't his first job. The comparisons are a bit redundant with some sort of context.

[Phil71]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

And why have these youth players become an integral part of the first team
Is it because arsenal have always been a progressive club for giving youth a chance?
If there is a development league for under 23 players why are they not considered young
It’s the collective doom of everything’s shit

Saka and Martinelli are Emery pruducts, nothing to do with Arteta. ESR only got his chance against Chelsea because there was no one else. Had WIllian not been injured, we'd still have been playing him over ESR.

This isn't all "doom and gloom", we just want to continue that tradition, and seeing Willian and Pepe fail again and again while not giving the youth a go is frustrating.

They're not 'Emery products'.

Saka was a youth player before he arrived and Martinelli was signed by Mislintat.

[Zenith]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

And why have these youth players become an integral part of the first team
Is it because arsenal have always been a progressive club for giving youth a chance?
If there is a development league for under 23 players why are they not considered young
It’s the collective doom of everything’s shit

Saka and Martinelli are Emery pruducts, nothing to do with Arteta. ESR only got his chance against Chelsea because there was no one else. Had WIllian not been injured, we'd still have been playing him over ESR.

This isn't all "doom and gloom", we just want to continue that tradition, and seeing Willian and Pepe fail again and again while not giving the youth a go is frustrating.

They're not 'Emery products'.

Saka was a youth player before he arrived and Martinelli was signed by Mislintat.

*Francis Cagigao.

[Phil71]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

And why have these youth players become an integral part of the first team
Is it because arsenal have always been a progressive club for giving youth a chance?
If there is a development league for under 23 players why are they not considered young
It’s the collective doom of everything’s shit

Saka and Martinelli are Emery pruducts, nothing to do with Arteta. ESR only got his chance against Chelsea because there was no one else. Had WIllian not been injured, we'd still have been playing him over ESR.

This isn't all "doom and gloom", we just want to continue that tradition, and seeing Willian and Pepe fail again and again while not giving the youth a go is frustrating.

They're not 'Emery products'.

Saka was a youth player before he arrived and Martinelli was signed by Mislintat.

*Francis Cagigao.

Ok Cagigao.