Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[Fran Solo]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

If our manager was too stupid/naive/inexperienced to plan for injuries/absences then thats his problem and cannot be used as an excuse.

So NO - that doesn't put to bed the argument, it reinforces the point that Arteta was solely at fault for not planning correctly and/or for making bad decisions.

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Our back up players are not good enough and that will be addressed this summer. We're in the market for a RB and LB apparently.

No-one could have predicted we'd rely on Tavares and Soares for half a season. We were very unfortunate.

Some people praised Arteta because he got rid off our players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because we didn't have enough squad players.

Some people also praised Arteta for not buying 'the wrong players' in January.
Then those people said that we don't have enough players for the run in.

Some people said that Arteta is brave and commendable for trusting young players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because those young players need experience to perform under pressure.

Some players said that we definitely need to buy 'the right players' in the next summer window.
I wonder if those same people will say that it will be hard to get 'the right players' because they all want to play in CL.

When will this circle ever end?

[Power n Glory]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

If our manager was too stupid/naive/inexperienced to plan for injuries/absences then thats his problem and cannot be used as an excuse.

So NO - that doesn't put to bed the argument, it reinforces the point that Arteta was solely at fault for not planning correctly and/or for making bad decisions.

This

Our back up players are not good enough and that will be addressed this summer. We're in the market for a RB and LB apparently.

No-one could have predicted we'd rely on Tavares and Soares for half a season. We were very unfortunate.

Some people praised Arteta because he got rid off our players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because we didn't have enough squad players.

Some people also praised Arteta for not buying 'the wrong players' in January.
Then those people said that we don't have enough players for the run in.

Some people said that Arteta is brave and commendable for trusting young players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because those young players need experience to perform under pressure.

Some players said that we definitely need to buy 'the right players' in the next summer window.
I wonder if those same people will say that it will be hard to get 'the right players' because they all want to play in CL.

When will this circle ever end?

[Salibatelli]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

They were all fit except for Tomiyasu for most of the season. I don’t count because Tierney is always injured, we knew that before the season started, that’s why we signed Tavares.

Hardly most of the defence.

2 out of 4 is half the defence.

You can't exclude Tierney because it doesn't suit your argument.

Well Tavares should have been able to deputise that’s what he was signed for, he was signed last summer as cover.

I exclude Tierney because he’s always injured and we should have planned better.

You can’t count Tierney as part of our defence for a season, he’s too injury prone, he can play half a season max.

We’ll always have a maximum of 3/4 players fit in defence if you start counting Tierney, he’s not the basis of a 1st choice defence, he’s one of the options not 1st choice because he can’t be. Realistically he’s a player who has to be rotated with another full back capable of being 1st choice.

Also Ramsdale has to be included, so it’s more like 3 out of 5.

[Salibatelli]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

If our manager was too stupid/naive/inexperienced to plan for injuries/absences then thats his problem and cannot be used as an excuse.

So NO - that doesn't put to bed the argument, it reinforces the point that Arteta was solely at fault for not planning correctly and/or for making bad decisions.

This

Our back up players are not good enough and that will be addressed this summer. We're in the market for a RB and LB apparently.

No-one could have predicted we'd rely on Tavares and Soares for half a season. We were very unfortunate.

Some people praised Arteta because he got rid off our players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because we didn't have enough squad players.

Some people also praised Arteta for not buying 'the wrong players' in January.
Then those people said that we don't have enough players for the run in.

Some people said that Arteta is brave and commendable for trusting young players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because those young players need experience to perform under pressure.

Some players said that we definitely need to buy 'the right players' in the next summer window.
I wonder if those same people will say that it will be hard to get 'the right players' because they all want to play in CL.

When will this circle ever end?

Brilliant post, contradictions all over the place!

[Highbury Hillbilly]

The mistake Arteta made with AMN was refusing to loan him to Everton in the summer. AMN is a better RB/RWB than Cedric but he wanted to play regularly and that wasn't going to happen.

He is not going to make it here. We could have pocketed a fee for him as Everton need a solid, versatile player for the level they're at now.

Now I'd say his is the next contract we rip up in Jan.

[Power n Glory]

The mistake Arteta made with AMN was refusing to loan him to Everton in the summer. AMN is a better RB/RWB than Cedric but he wanted to play regularly and that wasn't going to happen.

He is not going to make it here. We could have pocketed a fee for him as Everton need a solid, versatile player for the level they're at now.

Now I'd say his is the next contract we rip up in Jan.

The original mistake was buying Cedric in the first place. AMN was doing fine and then he found himself behind Bellerin and Cedric because he was late for training one day. Cedric has done nothing to be so high in the order of priority. The hype about him 'having the best final ball' is rubbish. He's a deadweight player that can sometimes do a decent job but his inclusion has only hampered younger players who would have at least had a higher resale value.

[Rockape]

The mistake Arteta made with AMN was refusing to loan him to Everton in the summer. AMN is a better RB/RWB than Cedric but he wanted to play regularly and that wasn't going to happen.

He is not going to make it here. We could have pocketed a fee for him as Everton need a solid, versatile player for the level they're at now.

Now I'd say his is the next contract we rip up in Jan.

The original mistake was buying Cedric in the first place. AMN was doing fine and then he found himself behind Bellerin and Cedric because he was late for training one day. Cedric has done nothing to be so high in the order of priority. The hype about him 'having the best final ball' is rubbish. He's a deadweight player that can sometimes do a decent job but his inclusion has only hampered younger players who would have at least had a higher resale value.

Can’t agree with that, Cedric has been mostly decent. Sure he’s made mistakes, but show me a player who doesn’t make mistakes. AMN made more mistakes.

[Santi]

Cedric had a couple of absolute horror performances at left back but he’s been a good enough backup this season for sure.

Only problem came when both he and Tavares had to play, the centre backs went to shit because of it. Can’t afford to have a drop in both fullbacks so we need one more reliable backup and seems like that Hickey bloke may be the option.

[Power n Glory]

The mistake Arteta made with AMN was refusing to loan him to Everton in the summer. AMN is a better RB/RWB than Cedric but he wanted to play regularly and that wasn't going to happen.

He is not going to make it here. We could have pocketed a fee for him as Everton need a solid, versatile player for the level they're at now.

Now I'd say his is the next contract we rip up in Jan.

The original mistake was buying Cedric in the first place. AMN was doing fine and then he found himself behind Bellerin and Cedric because he was late for training one day. Cedric has done nothing to be so high in the order of priority. The hype about him 'having the best final ball' is rubbish. He's a deadweight player that can sometimes do a decent job but his inclusion has only hampered younger players who would have at least had a higher resale value.

Can’t agree with that, Cedric has been mostly decent. Sure he’s made mistakes, but show me a player who doesn’t make mistakes. AMN made more mistakes.

I said Cedric can sometimes do a decent job but he's not a solid and dependable option. He's 30 years old with no resale value. The mistakes against Spurs and Newcastle cost us dearly. It could have happened with AMN, Chambers or Bellerin but at least these are players with the potential to improve or sell on for a least £20m if played often enough. We tanked their value for someone that hasn't been worth it.

[theHotHead]

I thought Cedric was at the same level as Bellerin from recent times. Decent against less pressing teams, vulnerable against high press and fast powerful wingers. So , we can say upgrade w/ Tomi as 1st choice RB , same level w/ Bellerin w/ 2nd choice RB.
First choice injuries are going to hurt any team as we saw w/ 'pool with VVD and Matip out for most of last season.

The best Cedric was like normal Bellerin.

Problem is, we didn't get the best Cedric a lot and normal Bellerin was a bit shit.

[theHotHead]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

If our manager was too stupid/naive/inexperienced to plan for injuries/absences then thats his problem and cannot be used as an excuse.

So NO - that doesn't put to bed the argument, it reinforces the point that Arteta was solely at fault for not planning correctly and/or for making bad decisions.

This

Our back up players are not good enough and that will be addressed this summer. We're in the market for a RB and LB apparently.

No-one could have predicted we'd rely on Tavares and Soares for half a season. We were very unfortunate.

Some people praised Arteta because he got rid off our players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because we didn't have enough squad players.

Some people also praised Arteta for not buying 'the wrong players' in January.
Then those people said that we don't have enough players for the run in.

Some people said that Arteta is brave and commendable for trusting young players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because those young players need experience to perform under pressure.

Some players said that we definitely need to buy 'the right players' in the next summer window.
I wonder if those same people will say that it will be hard to get 'the right players' because they all want to play in CL.

When will this circle ever end?

Until they learn to admit and accept that Arteta f***ked up, it will never end, they will always make excuses for him

[theHotHead]

The mistake Arteta made with AMN was refusing to loan him to Everton in the summer. AMN is a better RB/RWB than Cedric but he wanted to play regularly and that wasn't going to happen.

He is not going to make it here. We could have pocketed a fee for him as Everton need a solid, versatile player for the level they're at now.

Now I'd say his is the next contract we rip up in Jan.

The original mistake was buying Cedric in the first place. AMN was doing fine and then he found himself behind Bellerin and Cedric because he was late for training one day. Cedric has done nothing to be so high in the order of priority. The hype about him 'having the best final ball' is rubbish. He's a deadweight player that can sometimes do a decent job but his inclusion has only hampered younger players who would have at least had a higher resale value.

Absolutely dreadful player Cedric, even in these final weeks he has simply been mediocre. since when was mediocre acceptable ? And let that sink in, Cedric's BEST is MEDIOCRE !

[Santi]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

If our manager was too stupid/naive/inexperienced to plan for injuries/absences then thats his problem and cannot be used as an excuse.

So NO - that doesn't put to bed the argument, it reinforces the point that Arteta was solely at fault for not planning correctly and/or for making bad decisions.

This

Our back up players are not good enough and that will be addressed this summer. We're in the market for a RB and LB apparently.

No-one could have predicted we'd rely on Tavares and Soares for half a season. We were very unfortunate.

Some people praised Arteta because he got rid off our players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because we didn't have enough squad players.

Some people also praised Arteta for not buying 'the wrong players' in January.
Then those people said that we don't have enough players for the run in.

Some people said that Arteta is brave and commendable for trusting young players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because those young players need experience to perform under pressure.

Some players said that we definitely need to buy 'the right players' in the next summer window.
I wonder if those same people will say that it will be hard to get 'the right players' because they all want to play in CL.

When will this circle ever end?

None of those things are mutually exclusive.

He got praise for getting rid of players but we could have kept someone like Chambers who would have come handy.

Exactly, acting as if everything is completely black and white…what century are we in?

I’d also like to know who ‘some people’ are because I for one can agree with half of those statements but pretty sure I’ve not then said the counter argument to them.

Trimming the squad on the whole has been good, a lot of shit is gone and bad apples out the club which is great. Was letting AMN go in Jan at a time when we had no midfield, rather than waiting til Partey was back, a good idea? No but I even said that at the time and I f***ing hate AMN because he’s shit.

In hindsight was letting chambers go for pennies worth it when we ended up with 4 defensive injuries? No but again said this over a week ago and apparently nobody who backs the manager admits the clubs mistakes….

People claim they want this place to get back to normal yet still throwing misplaced shade (don’t mean Fran).

[theHotHead]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

If our manager was too stupid/naive/inexperienced to plan for injuries/absences then thats his problem and cannot be used as an excuse.

So NO - that doesn't put to bed the argument, it reinforces the point that Arteta was solely at fault for not planning correctly and/or for making bad decisions.

This

Our back up players are not good enough and that will be addressed this summer. We're in the market for a RB and LB apparently.

No-one could have predicted we'd rely on Tavares and Soares for half a season. We were very unfortunate.

Some people praised Arteta because he got rid off our players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because we didn't have enough squad players.

Some people also praised Arteta for not buying 'the wrong players' in January.
Then those people said that we don't have enough players for the run in.

Some people said that Arteta is brave and commendable for trusting young players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because those young players need experience to perform under pressure.

Some players said that we definitely need to buy 'the right players' in the next summer window.
I wonder if those same people will say that it will be hard to get 'the right players' because they all want to play in CL.

When will this circle ever end?

None of those things are mutually exclusive.

He got praise for getting rid of players but we could have kept someone like Chambers who would have come handy.

Exactly, acting as if everything is completely black and white…what century are we in?

I’d also like to know who ‘some people’ are because I for one can agree with half of those statements but pretty sure I’ve not then said the counter argument to them.

Trimming the squad on the whole has been good, a lot of shit is gone and bad apples out the club which is great. Was letting AMN go in Jan at a time when we had no midfield, rather than waiting til Partey was back, a good idea? No but I even said that at the time and I f***ing hate AMN because he’s shit.

In hindsight was letting chambers go for pennies worth it when we ended up with 4 defensive injuries? No but again said this over a week ago and apparently nobody who backs the manager admits the clubs mistakes….

People claim they want this place to get back to normal yet still throwing misplaced shade (don’t mean Fran).

How can they not be black and white ?!!! It is literally black and white.

- You got rid of a load of players then we didn't have enough players in the squad. Black and white.
- We didn't buy "the wrong players" in January but as a result the squad was thin for the run in. We should've bought players in Jan, black and white.
- Happiness at using young players but then those young players were not ready to have a top 4 battle all season. Black and white.

Every action on the left directly affected the outcome on the right, there is no grey area, cause/effect.

[elkanofan]

We've had half our defence decimated for most of the season that's why we've conceded more goals than last season. So it puts to bed that argument.

If our manager was too stupid/naive/inexperienced to plan for injuries/absences then thats his problem and cannot be used as an excuse.

So NO - that doesn't put to bed the argument, it reinforces the point that Arteta was solely at fault for not planning correctly and/or for making bad decisions.

This

Our back up players are not good enough and that will be addressed this summer. We're in the market for a RB and LB apparently.

No-one could have predicted we'd rely on Tavares and Soares for half a season. We were very unfortunate.

Some people praised Arteta because he got rid off our players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because we didn't have enough squad players.

Some people also praised Arteta for not buying 'the wrong players' in January.
Then those people said that we don't have enough players for the run in.

Some people said that Arteta is brave and commendable for trusting young players.
Then those people said that we failed to get top 4 because those young players need experience to perform under pressure.

Some players said that we definitely need to buy 'the right players' in the next summer window.
I wonder if those same people will say that it will be hard to get 'the right players' because they all want to play in CL.

When will this circle ever end?

Until they learn to admit and accept that Arteta f***ked up, it will never end, they will always make excuses for him

The owners dont want anyone to come within their circle of power at the club and Arteta is thr perfect man for them to keep everything swimming along perfectly as long as we are 'near' the top of the table or top half.

Nothing will change until Arteta really screws up and we end up a bit like Everton did, they wont change anything unless things really get extreme.