Özim wrote:thebigbangtheo wrote:Özim wrote:The guy has been awful, I don’t see how being lower in the league is progress to be honest.
The sides above us have matches in hand and can pull away as well, if they won their games we’d be 5 points behind 9th place with an inferior goal difference.
I don’t consider that progress at all, the odd win here and there doesn’t change my opinion either.
Just hope the club has some sense and get rid in the summer, I won’t hold my breath though, we all know incompetence seems to be rife.
As you effectively state Ozim, your opinion is as equally valid as mine. That being the case and that you don't think there has been any progress under Arteta, are you of the opinion then that we have either regressed or stagnated, as it must be one of the three?
It’s tough to call as we’ve been truly awful this season, we’ve gone from a non existent attack but more solidity in defence but losing games, to an improvement in attack but regression in defence and winning one and losing the next. The errors are still there week in week out as well.
At best we’ve stagnated but our league position suggests we’ve regressed.
For me though the progress should be more tangible, just as it is at Everton with Ancelotti a club who actually started below us when Arteta and Ancelotti took over and have an inferior squad, even if i agreed with you and thought we’d had progressed it’s not even baby steps and in the end it’s not enough. For me it’s clear Arteta isn’t the right man for the job and the only reason we’re sticking with him is the incompetent people in charge don’t want to admit they’ve got it so wrong yet again.
In the end though, their stubbornness will mean more years in the doldrums for this club, but I guess none of them really care anyway.
I do have an understanding of your points of view and why I stated in my original post that I wasn't in agreement with some of our managers actions, and rightly or wrongly feel that we could have done more in averting some of the defeats we've suffered as well as gained two or three more wins.
As a former coach, the tendency to focus more on things relating to performances rather than tables is still part of my football psyche I suppose, and only really being bothered about them towards the end of the season. So if I don't put too much emphasis on the table regards measuring the teams progress you'll just have to forgive me on that.
Maybe my using of the Imperial inch to gauge our movement forward was too adventurous given VAR could measure it to the width of a hair growing on a fly's arse no doubt.
Anyway, that you found a degree of difficulty in clearly declaring that we'd either stood still or gone backwards and that there should be more to evidence any defined movement forward, suggests a case for the forth option of don't know/not sure, wouldn't you say, instead of an outright denial of the teams progress because you don't like the manager?