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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby LMAO » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:02 am

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swipe right wrote:There is no doubt we look a better side under Arteta than Emery. But we need urgent reinforcements in midfield and defense. Sadly I don’t see our geniuses Raul and Edu securing them. Raul only seems to buy from agents he’s friends with and Edu doesn’t seem to know anyone outside the youth teams of Brazil.

It's not a race. January is an awful transfer window and even if we don't sign anyone that's completely fine.


I don't care how shit January is for transfers, we need players and we need them now! An attacking Mid and utility defensive cover for CB and LB.

The squad we have right now will not absolutely nothing this season.

Our season is already over. What would we be buying for? We're not getting top 4 and one or two january transfers aren't going to make much difference in cup competitions. We just need to take the L and strengthen in the summer. No panic buys.


This. Can't believe people want to sign players just to sign them.

What happens if we sign Kurzawa this window on a 5.5 year deal and he turns out to be another injury table all-star? That's just more deadwood we'll have to shift.

The only signings we should be looking at are 6 month loans (unless we find a fantastic deal like Minamino but that's a tall order with only 12 days left in January).

We're still mathematically in contention for top 4 and the EL, so I'm fine with going all out in them. But tbh, if 4th isn't within 8 points come mid-March, then I'm fine with ditching the league and completely focusing on winning the EL. In terms of league positions, I'd rather miss out on the EL next season and have complete focus in the league if we're not getting CL.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby VCC » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:20 am

ag6789 wrote:Edu is looking into Bruno Guimaraes transfer from a Brazilian club. He is supposed to be an all-round midfielder ready for battle.

What is he like ?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby VCC » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:28 am

LMAO wrote:
Jedi wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
Jedi wrote:
swipe right wrote:There is no doubt we look a better side under Arteta than Emery. But we need urgent reinforcements in midfield and defense. Sadly I don’t see our geniuses Raul and Edu securing them. Raul only seems to buy from agents he’s friends with and Edu doesn’t seem to know anyone outside the youth teams of Brazil.

It's not a race. January is an awful transfer window and even if we don't sign anyone that's completely fine.


I don't care how shit January is for transfers, we need players and we need them now! An attacking Mid and utility defensive cover for CB and LB.

The squad we have right now will not absolutely nothing this season.

Our season is already over. What would we be buying for? We're not getting top 4 and one or two january transfers aren't going to make much difference in cup competitions. We just need to take the L and strengthen in the summer. No panic buys.


This. Can't believe people want to sign players just to sign them.

What happens if we sign Kurzawa this window on a 5.5 year deal and he turns out to be another injury table all-star? That's just more deadwood we'll have to shift.

The only signings we should be looking at are 6 month loans (unless we find a fantastic deal like Minamino but that's a tall order with only 12 days left in January).

We're still mathematically in contention for top 4 and the EL, so I'm fine with going all out in them. But tbh, if 4th isn't within 8 points come mid-March, then I'm fine with ditching the league and completely focusing on winning the EL. In terms of league positions, I'd rather miss out on the EL next season and have complete focus in the league if we're not getting CL.

If you have to open a five year deal from the outset there has to be something wrong imo,
It's either a player at the end of a career looking for a retirement package
Or a player not confident in his own ability to sign and then renegotiate when he has produced the goods that demands an on going period for more money
I am sure an agent wants the biggest deal for the longest period makes their job easier
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby swipe right » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:37 am

VCC wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Edu is looking into Bruno Guimaraes transfer from a Brazilian club. He is supposed to be an all-round midfielder ready for battle.

What is he like ?

Like a blind date on Tinder. Could be hot as f but more likely to be a waste of time and money.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby VCC » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:46 am

swipe right wrote:
VCC wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Edu is looking into Bruno Guimaraes transfer from a Brazilian club. He is supposed to be an all-round midfielder ready for battle.

What is he like ?

Like a blind date on Tinder. Could be hot as f but more likely to be a waste of time and money.

Lol :rofll:
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Angelito » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:48 am

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Tony Adams wrote:Angelito "emery is everything arsenal isn't"

No, he's everything Arsene isn't. You don't win titles passing it around on the half way line and filling the team with 5'6 playmakers. Unless of course you have the funds for Messi types. Even Guardiola had Fernandinho in midfield when he was winning titles playing the game Wenger aspired to.


Hate using WWE references but...

Modern day Arsenal is Wenger's blood, Wenger's sweat, Wenger's creation.

The last two decades of Arsenal is Arsene Wenger. He made us the sexiest side in Europe. That's a fact.

If we really wanted to change paths, there were only two coaches who could do it successfully: Conte and Simeone. Conte was available. We decided against hiring him.

Those 5'6" playmakers that you continue talking about nearly won the league twice. If we had the funds, if we had CR7, which we didn't because of lack of funds, that 07/08 side we had would go down as one of the best sides in English football history. In 2009, it would be Barcelona vs Arsenal in a UCL Final rematch.

Pep has unlimited resources on top of being a top class coach. How long will we ignore the fact that we were bare to the bones from the time of the Invincibles until 13/14?
'Nearly' won the league? Well in that case we should keep Emery cos he 'nearly' finished top four and 'nearly' won the europa league lol.

We also had diarra, song and flamini at DM when the season started.


Yeah. If Emery had a history of finishing in the top-4, then that collapse wouldn't have mattered. He'd still be on the job right now. Different circumstances? You can't look at every flower with the same lens, mate.

We saw a similar collapse in 10/11 when we were poised to win the league but tailed off miserably—handing over the title to ManU. That collapse was grounds for sacking but Wenger's history and our financial state told another story, which is why he continued.

On the same note, you surely aren't comparing that 07-10 side to Emery's side, are you? If we even had as much to spend as we have today, we would have won the League and would be losing to Barca in the UCL Final again.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Arsenal Tone » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:20 am

swipe right wrote:
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Tony Adams wrote:Angelito "emery is everything arsenal isn't"

No, he's everything Arsene isn't. You don't win titles passing it around on the half way line and filling the team with 5'6 playmakers. Unless of course you have the funds for Messi types. Even Guardiola had Fernandinho in midfield when he was winning titles playing the game Wenger aspired to.


Hate using WWE references but...

Modern day Arsenal is Wenger's blood, Wenger's sweat, Wenger's creation.

The last two decades of Arsenal is Arsene Wenger. He made us the sexiest side in Europe. That's a fact.

If we really wanted to change paths, there were only two coaches who could do it successfully: Conte and Simeone. Conte was available. We decided against hiring him.

Those 5'6" playmakers that you continue talking about nearly won the league twice. If we had the funds, if we had CR7, which we didn't because of lack of funds, that 07/08 side we had would go down as one of the best sides in English football history. In 2009, it would be Barcelona vs Arsenal in a UCL Final rematch.

Pep has unlimited resources on top of being a top class coach. How long will we ignore the fact that we were bare to the bones from the time of the Invincibles until 13/14?
'Nearly' won the league? Well in that case we should keep Emery cos he 'nearly' finished top four and 'nearly' won the europa league lol.

We also had diarra, song and flamini at DM when the season started.

You were running around calling Emery The Don. Please don’t make us laugh now with your comments on Wenger. You have zero credibility.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby LMAO » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:35 am

elkanofan wrote:
Jedi wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
Jedi wrote:
swipe right wrote:There is no doubt we look a better side under Arteta than Emery. But we need urgent reinforcements in midfield and defense. Sadly I don’t see our geniuses Raul and Edu securing them. Raul only seems to buy from agents he’s friends with and Edu doesn’t seem to know anyone outside the youth teams of Brazil.

It's not a race. January is an awful transfer window and even if we don't sign anyone that's completely fine.


I don't care how shit January is for transfers, we need players and we need them now! An attacking Mid and utility defensive cover for CB and LB.

The squad we have right now will not absolutely nothing this season.

Our season is already over. What would we be buying for? We're not getting top 4 and one or two january transfers aren't going to make much difference in cup competitions. We just need to take the L and strengthen in the summer. No panic buys.


and who the f**k is going to join us when we narrowly beat the drop, no CL, not EL, Auba leaves and we have few to no top level players anymore?

Your neglecting the 15 leagues games left, the EL to come and all the injuries to come we must contend with.

We have won 3 games in the league under 3 different coaches since October 1st.

We have won 5 games since then adding the win vs Guimaraes and Leeds at home.

Injuries, big injuries are only just starting to mount up with many, tough games ahead in 3 competitions.

We are a rudderless club drifting towards to drop with the only salvation at best midtable mediocrity and a AC Milan future future of this continually for the next 5 years at best with how things are moving.

We need players now, right now, right f***ing now and no later by February 1st! We need an attacking mid, we need a midfielder with movement to link our play between transitions and help allow our wingers and forwards to run in behind. We need CB and LB cover! If we don't sort this out we are in deep shit, deeper than the crisis we are already in.
You need to start concerning yourself with now and today because the tomorrow of next season will look very bleak unless we have clear ambition of CL football ready to present to new signings.

Aubameyang is 100% gone unless we win the Europa League or somehow by a miracle get top 4!

Arteta needs help from upstairs and so far he ain't getting enough help.


No cap being in Europe is overrated when it comes to buying players.

Kante, Mane, Gini, Skriniar, Werner

All bought by their current clubs during a season the club didn't play in a European competition.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby elkanofan » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:06 am

LMAO wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
Jedi wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
Jedi wrote:
swipe right wrote:There is no doubt we look a better side under Arteta than Emery. But we need urgent reinforcements in midfield and defense. Sadly I don’t see our geniuses Raul and Edu securing them. Raul only seems to buy from agents he’s friends with and Edu doesn’t seem to know anyone outside the youth teams of Brazil.

It's not a race. January is an awful transfer window and even if we don't sign anyone that's completely fine.


I don't care how shit January is for transfers, we need players and we need them now! An attacking Mid and utility defensive cover for CB and LB.

The squad we have right now will not absolutely nothing this season.

Our season is already over. What would we be buying for? We're not getting top 4 and one or two january transfers aren't going to make much difference in cup competitions. We just need to take the L and strengthen in the summer. No panic buys.


and who the f**k is going to join us when we narrowly beat the drop, no CL, not EL, Auba leaves and we have few to no top level players anymore?

Your neglecting the 15 leagues games left, the EL to come and all the injuries to come we must contend with.

We have won 3 games in the league under 3 different coaches since October 1st.

We have won 5 games since then adding the win vs Guimaraes and Leeds at home.

Injuries, big injuries are only just starting to mount up with many, tough games ahead in 3 competitions.

We are a rudderless club drifting towards to drop with the only salvation at best midtable mediocrity and a AC Milan future future of this continually for the next 5 years at best with how things are moving.

We need players now, right now, right f***ing now and no later by February 1st! We need an attacking mid, we need a midfielder with movement to link our play between transitions and help allow our wingers and forwards to run in behind. We need CB and LB cover! If we don't sort this out we are in deep shit, deeper than the crisis we are already in.
You need to start concerning yourself with now and today because the tomorrow of next season will look very bleak unless we have clear ambition of CL football ready to present to new signings.

Aubameyang is 100% gone unless we win the Europa League or somehow by a miracle get top 4!

Arteta needs help from upstairs and so far he ain't getting enough help.


No cap being in Europe is overrated when it comes to buying players.

Kante, Mane, Gini, Skriniar, Werner

All bought by their current clubs during a season the club didn't play in a European competition.


None of these teams signed these players in a situation of continued downfall in the league with their best players leaving the same summer. They either all were having that one bad season (Chelsea), were consolidated in a period of flattering to deceive as a Top 8 team (Inter, Liverpool) or on the up (RB Leipzig). All clubs spend their money much better than we do and all are much better run clubs!

Your getting emotional with this silly response because you called people out to wait until March when Arteta has turned it all around an you will be getting humble pie ready, the most moronic post I have read of all of last year which i'm going to hold you to to show your own inflated ego.

Right now with the poor quality squad we have when we arrive in late March with the same poor squad, add a few more key injuries and Arteta way out of his depth as our crisis reaches new levels.

EPL 21-01-2020 Chelsea A
FAC 27-01-2020 Bournemouth A
EPL 02-02-2020 Burnley A
EPL 16-02-2020 Newcastle United H
UEL 20-02-2020 Olympiacos A
EPL 23-02-2020 Everton H
UEL 27-02-2020 Olympiacos H
EPL 01-03-2020 Manchester City A
EPL 07-03-2020 West Ham H
EPL 14-03-2020 Brighton A
EPL 21-03-2020 Southampton A

We have 11 games in the next two months and from how dreadful we have been all season we have only 3 home games which we should win and the rest of them really just comes down to what the other team does. The away games most seem winnable bar Chelsea and the obvious one The other away games if the opposition play well and the crowd is behind them the best we are getting is a draw if they don't beat us. We have absolutely no chance at the Etihad regardless even if Arteta knows all their secrets because we ain't good enough to exploit their weaknesses.

You more than most need to wake up, this is not about panic buys, this is being honest and making a assertive signing to address clear problems within the squad, so by the time we make it to the summer we actually have something to attract players.

Like i said if we don't get CL Auba is gone! That alone will disrupt top level, good players from joining us as players will all see Arsenal as a sinking ship.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:11 am

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Angelito wrote:It's amazing how many here worshipped Emery for the longest time, but are willing to take their swords out 6 games into Arteta's tenure.

Disgusting set of fans.
We aren't getting results though. In Emery's opening few games we were getting results. His substitutions appeared to be changing games.

Arteta seems clueless in game management. Affraid to make subs or makes the wrong ones, no idea how to hold on to a lead. He just sticks to the same formation and tactics regardless of the score or opponent. It may be early days but so far it feels to me like a step back to the things Wenger got wrong.


You can't compare Emery's start with Arteta's

Emery had a whole preseason, a summer transfer window and largely took over a squad from Wenger that still played good football in parts and was a force at home.

Arteta doesn't have any of this because Raul and Emery ruined the only good things left about the squad that Wenger left us with.

You shouldn't really have to explain this to anyone but - it looks like some people here either don't get it or are being purposefully antagonistic
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:12 am

Jack The Ripper wrote:Everyone told me that Arteta will be like Pep and has learned everything from Pep.. but I swear in his first 5 prem games with us so far he is exactly like Wenger, nothing like Pep at all.. it actually is basically Wenger. Subs are exactly the same time, its almost right down to the actual second!!!!!!. Also tactics are Wenger too. I feel like its Wenger

Is Wenger back in disguise??

How ? Our defending is better after 1 game under Arteta ! Stop chatting shit.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:48 am

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Jedi wrote:Not every manager uses all 3 subs every game and some prefer to go for cohesion rather than erratically making subs as soon as things aren't going your way. For every sub Emery got right, he had another that completely backfired. I don't understand the obsession with team selection most fans have. There's so much more to the tactics than picking the right team/subs (which is all very subjective).

Lets face it, if Fleck doesn't score that insanely unlikely volley, you would have no problem with the subs cause we would have won the game. You also said today that we need a defensive coach, despite us only scoring 30 goals in 23 games. For comparison, City has 64 so far, and this is supposed to be their bad season. Our defense has been shit forever but Emery has done the unthinkable which is making our attack toothless too.

The bigger picture here is that there's no quick fix. This is a team that's in a crisis and needs a serious rebuild come May. Until then we have to settle for positive signs in what will be some embarrassing results.


Cohesion rather than making subs? We drew today, we failed to win and the guy has only managed 1 win in 5 PL games, I'd suggest he needs to change something that he's doing and making the wrong subs and too late isn't working, you say there's so much more to tactics than picking the right team/subs, but he's got it wrong because again we failed to win and that's the acid test, if you don't win you didn't get it right.

That's an excuse, like in every game we fail to win, it's always because of some freakish incident, bad luck or the ref, it's not it's because we weren't good enough. We were average at best against Sheff Utd, they got the point the deserved.

More complete bollox !!!

Unai Emery's last 5 games:
Arsenal 2 - Southampton 2. Arsenal; 12 shots, xG 1.61, Southampton 21 shots, xG 2.60
Leicester 2- Arsenal 0. Leicester; 19 shots, xG 1.37. Arsenal 8 shots, xG 0.96
Arsenal 1 - Wolves 1. Arsenal; 10 shots, xG 1.03. Wolves 24 shots, xG 1.51
Arsenal 2 - C Palace 2. Arsenal; 15 shots, xG 1.54. C Palace 10 shots, xG 1.78
Sheff Utd - 1 - Arsenal 0. Sheff Utd; 8 shots, xG 0.90. Arsenal 9 shots, xG 0.95

Mikel Arteta's First 5 games:
Arsenal 1 - Sheff Utd 1. Arsenal; shots 11, xG 1.23. Sheff Utd shots 12, xG 0.92
C Palace 1 - Arsenal 1. C Palace; shots 6, xG 0.31. Arsenal shots 7, xG 1.02
Arsenal 2 - Man U 0. Arsenal; shots 10, xG 1.85. Man U shots 10, xG 0.72
Arsenal 1 - Chelsea 2. Arsenal; shots 7, xG 0.79. Chelsea shots 13, xG 1.50
Bournemouth 1 - Arsenal 1. Bournemouth; shots 12, xG 1.55. Arsenal shots 17, xG 1.42.

Summary of above:
- Emery Played 5, Won 0, Drew 3, Lost 2. For 5, Against 8. Pts 3.
- Arteta Played 5, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 1. For 6, Against 5. Pts 6.

- In 3 out of the 5 Emery games the opposition took more shots than us. In 4 out of the 5 Emery games the opposition created more clear chances than us.
- in 2 out of the 5 Arteta games the opposition took more shots than us. In 2 out of the 5 Arteta games the opposition created more clear chances than us.

It is as clear as day that Arteta has improved us. If I could be arsed I could dig up far more stats that prove we are defending better, running further, etc etc, all this improvement in 4 weeks of having a new manager who was unable to do many training sessions because of the Christmas period !!!

So anyone complaining can f**k off.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:54 am

theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:
Jedi wrote:Not every manager uses all 3 subs every game and some prefer to go for cohesion rather than erratically making subs as soon as things aren't going your way. For every sub Emery got right, he had another that completely backfired. I don't understand the obsession with team selection most fans have. There's so much more to the tactics than picking the right team/subs (which is all very subjective).

Lets face it, if Fleck doesn't score that insanely unlikely volley, you would have no problem with the subs cause we would have won the game. You also said today that we need a defensive coach, despite us only scoring 30 goals in 23 games. For comparison, City has 64 so far, and this is supposed to be their bad season. Our defense has been shit forever but Emery has done the unthinkable which is making our attack toothless too.

The bigger picture here is that there's no quick fix. This is a team that's in a crisis and needs a serious rebuild come May. Until then we have to settle for positive signs in what will be some embarrassing results.


Cohesion rather than making subs? We drew today, we failed to win and the guy has only managed 1 win in 5 PL games, I'd suggest he needs to change something that he's doing and making the wrong subs and too late isn't working, you say there's so much more to tactics than picking the right team/subs, but he's got it wrong because again we failed to win and that's the acid test, if you don't win you didn't get it right.

That's an excuse, like in every game we fail to win, it's always because of some freakish incident, bad luck or the ref, it's not it's because we weren't good enough. We were average at best against Sheff Utd, they got the point the deserved.

More complete bollox !!!

Unai Emery's last 5 games:
Arsenal 2 - Southampton 2. Arsenal; 12 shots, xG 1.61, Southampton 21 shots, xG 2.60
Leicester 2- Arsenal 0. Leicester; 19 shots, xG 1.37. Arsenal 8 shots, xG 0.96
Arsenal 1 - Wolves 1. Arsenal; 10 shots, xG 1.03. Wolves 24 shots, xG 1.51
Arsenal 2 - C Palace 2. Arsenal; 15 shots, xG 1.54. C Palace 10 shots, xG 1.78
Sheff Utd - 1 - Arsenal 0. Sheff Utd; 8 shots, xG 0.90. Arsenal 9 shots, xG 0.95

Mikel Arteta's First 5 games:
Arsenal 1 - Sheff Utd 1. Arsenal; shots 11, xG 1.23. Sheff Utd shots 12, xG 0.92
C Palace 1 - Arsenal 1. C Palace; shots 6, xG 0.31. Arsenal shots 7, xG 1.02
Arsenal 2 - Man U 0. Arsenal; shots 10, xG 1.85. Man U shots 10, xG 0.72
Arsenal 1 - Chelsea 2. Arsenal; shots 7, xG 0.79. Chelsea shots 13, xG 1.50
Bournemouth 1 - Arsenal 1. Bournemouth; shots 12, xG 1.55. Arsenal shots 17, xG 1.42.

Summary of above:
- Emery Played 5, Won 0, Drew 3, Lost 2. For 5, Against 8. Pts 3.
- Arteta Played 5, Won 1, Drew 3, Lost 1. For 6, Against 5. Pts 6.

- In 3 out of the 5 Emery games the opposition took more shots than us. In 4 out of the 5 Emery games the opposition created more clear chances than us.
- in 2 out of the 5 Arteta games the opposition took more shots than us. In 2 out of the 5 Arteta games the opposition created more clear chances than us.

It is as clear as day that Arteta has improved us. If I could be arsed I could dig up far more stats that prove we are defending better, running further, etc etc, all this improvement in 4 weeks of having a new manager who was unable to do many training sessions because of the Christmas period !!!

So anyone complaining can f**k off.


He's improved organisation and defensively we're now working harder.
But overall 1 win 3 draws and a loss is not a good start.
Bottom line is he doesn;t have the players to work with and therefore what I want to see is wholesale changes. That's when I will view him as doing a good job. I don't want yet another manager trying to polish turd.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:30 am

Jay - he has come in and done immediately better than the managers before him. He has only had 5 games !! The results have not been great but the performances and stats show we should have won more - which is better than the previous managers who were dominated in their games !!

With what he has, anyone expecting anything other than an evolution is deluded.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:33 am

theHotHead wrote:Jay - he has come in and done immediately better than the managers before him. He has only had 5 games !! The results have not been great but the performances and stats show we should have won more - which is better than the previous managers who were dominated in their games !!

With what he has, anyone expecting anything other than an evolution is deluded.


I like Arteta and he hasn't crashed and burned as I thought but we really need to see that extra gear from him. He's doing better than Unai and Freddie under the current circumstances but I'm concerned by the lack of goals. The XG and stats show a major improvement compared to Unai but tomorrow I'm hoping we actually kick on. It feels like things can go either way as it stands. Our loss against Chelsea felt like we were really unlucky and the bounce back against Utd felt like we may have turned a corner. But the way we were outplayed against Leeds and lucky to win then to draw two games on the bounce from winning positions have kind of taken the wind out of our sails. I'm slightly on edge as it stands. It's a massive game tomorrow.
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