swipe right wrote:It surprises me that Arteta doesn’t see the value of buying creative midfielders when he played next to Cazorla and coached KdB, Silva and Bernardo.
He buys mids that remind him of himself: slow sideways passers.
jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Highbury Hillbilly wrote:Players whose values are going to zero or close to it:
1) Nketiah (leaving)
2) AMN (leaving)
3) Pablo Mari
4) Partey (here until he's 32 on £200k pw)
5) Cedric (£80k pw)
6) Pepe (£140k pw)
Honourable mentions: Torreira, Saliba, Holding.
We don’t need any of those players.
Unless Kroenke is going to keep his chequebook closed, the players value is not relevant.
As we have seen with Auba it is unwise to give into player demands.
Tell me what you would do if a player demands more than they are worth in wages and either refuses to leave or can’t find another club to offer them what they want?
Interested to hear how you’d solve it.
Would you make the player sign a contract on lower wages than they want or move to another club at gun point or something?
It’s the players who have the power and if they want to run their contracts down they will.
Nice skirting around the issue Jay. This has noting to do with a player's demands, it has to do with a manager coming in and discarding perfectly good players because he is incapable of working out how to get the best out of them.
You yourself was Nketiah's biggest champion on the forum, he couldn't stop scoring for the England U21s, he has played a bit part for Arsenal so its hard to expect a player to perform to his best while not getting game time. Instead of him dwindling away on the sides he should've gone out on loan.
AMN is leaving because he feels under-valued, no shit Sherlock. He is not Arsenal level, but he is better than Xhaka and can do more than Elneny although Elneny is more dependable.
Pablo Mari, why the hell did we buy him ? Again, a purchase that Arteta made and now is clueless as to how to play him. Just more of Arteta's scattergun approach to football management, pure trial and error.
Partey, an absolute beast in La Liga, comes to Arsenal with Arteta's brand of football and looks like he was plucked from a Sunday kickabout in one of the parks around Holloway.
Cedric should never have been bought, another useless Arteta purchase.
Pepe, a player all Arsenal fans were excited about when we were linked with him, especially because of the price and then his last season in France you could see why he came with such a high price tag. Currently reduced to sitting on the bench. Been an unused sub 7 times this season, 3 of which we lost. Arteta has no freeking clue how to play him, Arteta is so one dimensional its a joke.
Torreira was a perfectly good specialist DM, Emery out of spite for Ozil tried to make Torreira more offensive, it backfired massively. Arteta came in and Torreira got no love and was shipped out. Many people have been saying we need a defacto DM - we have one, Arteta is just too stupid to work it out.
Then you have Saliba, one of the most expensive teenagers in history, shipped out to France because Arteta didn't think he was ready, but he immediately started putting in MoTM performances and has been acknowledged as one of the best defenders in Ligue 1. Arteta's limited skillset means he is unable to develop players - or by the look of it - coach them !!
Any decent manager could get Pepe, Partey, Torreira and Saliba firing, I'm gonna leave it at those 4 for now.
Lol, which perfectly good players?
I can't see any mentioned.
You complain about lowering expectations and not competing with Liverpool , City etc,, and then you bug up Torriera, Saliba, Pepe et al.
Good grief.
Those kind of players will NEVER get us back on track,
swipe right wrote:It surprises me that Arteta doesn’t see the value of buying creative midfielders when he played next to Cazorla and coached KdB, Silva and Bernardo.
theHotHead wrote:Im waiting for someone to say he had better players to coach at Man City. So what you are saying is he can only coach the best players in the world who - are the best players in the world so don't need much coaching anyway.
Worst coach ever!
theHotHead wrote:Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.
He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?
Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching
jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.
He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?
Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching
Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.
As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.
Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good
Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)
Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?
Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him
Who else???
We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel
Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.
jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.
He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?
Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching
Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.
As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.
Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good
Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)
Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?
Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him
Who else???
We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel
Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.
firfi wrote:jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.
He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?
Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching
Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.
As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.
Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good
Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)
Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?
Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him
Who else???
We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel
Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.
Tell me what did he do to the value of Guendouzi?Torreira?Pepe?AMN?NKETIAH?LACAZETTE?
jayramfootball wrote:firfi wrote:jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:Not venting buddy, just bringing things to people's attention, perhaps things they never thought about.
He can't manage, he can't coach, what can he actually do ?
Look at Wenger, players left us BETTER than they were when they came, thats a good coach right there. Lets look at Arteta ....... all I see are player's values plummeting, he is the antithesis of Wenger when it comes to coaching
Plenty of players getting better under Arteta.
As for the value thing, never understood that.
There are not that many players that Arteta brought in whose value has plummeted.
Most of them were already here when he arrived and were part of a team who were in 15th place in the PL and not performing.
Arteta's hit rate on purchasing good players is actually pretty good
Gabriel - hit
White - hit
Tomiyasu - hit
Ramsdale - hit
Tavares - hit
Lakonga - hit
Odegaard - TBC
Mari - miss. (no issue on value lost)
Partey - miss
Willian - miss (no issue on value lost)
Soares - miss (no issue on value lost)
Runnarsen - miss (no issue on value lost)
Who is it exactly that he has destroyed transfer value on?
Pepe? Can't blame Arteta for paying 73m on a dud.
Saliba? Remains to be seen, we may even get the money back on him
Who else???
We've also had players increase massively in value.
ESR
Saka
Gabriel
Right now the state of our squad in terms of asset value and the chances of increasing asset value is at it's healthiest in 20 years.
Tell me what did he do to the value of Guendouzi?Torreira?Pepe?AMN?NKETIAH?LACAZETTE?
Nothing as far as I can tell.
Some of those players have been shit and their value has gone down.
Others decided to let their contracts run down.
I asked these questions before and no one could answer...
You have a player who is not playing well. Do you play him or not, knowing his value might go down if you don't?
You have a player who decides to let their contract run down to get a big pay day ... what do you do if no one wants to buy them or the player refuses to leave?
Some players value will always go down because there are only 11 spots in a team and the best players should get the majority of game time.
The most important thing is that the assets you hold overall are appreciating _ I think we have that now, for the first time in a long time.
The angle of picking out players asset values as a reason to bash the manager is one of the most nonsensical arguments of all.
As if it actually matters.
I don't want an accountant picking the team thanks.