Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[theHotHead]

As usual there are merits to both sides of the argument but we have been in a position of challenging for the big trophies now for 2 seasons. Some of you are acting like spoilt children/primadonnas !

I could understand if it were 4 seasons coming up short, we are only at one season at this point in time (season aint over yet!)!

So the two other seasons don’t count at all? That’s convenient

It’s been four and a half years. Record investment. It is completely reasonable to expect a major trophy given the overall circumstances. The failure tolerance is too high at Arsenal and that is a hangover from people’s Wenger daddy issues that held us back for so long.

There is also the issue of the club’s disgusting performance in most cup competitions since he became manager.

Meh, so it took him 2 seasons to build a title challenging team.

At the very beginning, irrespective of which manager got the Arsenal job, if you were asked how you would feel about being geniune title challengers in 2 years you would've said "I'll take that" in a hearbeat. So I don't know where this negativity is coming from. It took Pep a year to make City contenders and look what their starting position was when he took over in 2016 !! It took Klopp 4 years to make Liverpool contenders.

And you man are complaining that it has taken Arteta 2 years ?!! Get real.

City easily won the title last season.

You haven’t even addressed his shit cup runs despite having no Europe one of those seasons

You’re spinning. If he’d been successful you wouldn’t need to spin or make omissions.

The performance in the cups is terrible, it must improve. But I am not going to say sack him because he did shit in the League and FA Cups but has made us genuine contenders in the league and took us to the CL QF.

And you didn't address my point. If you were told genuine title challengers in 2 seasons ytou would've taken it, right?!

[theHotHead]

He has to hope Spurs dont lose to City and then beat Everton to keep his job.

A better manager with more experience would push us over the line. Considering we already have many good players in our side.

Lots of our players are in their early to mid-20s, and a few are in their late 20s like Trossard and Raya (I count him as our player as it's obvious we'll pay Brentford the fee to keep him as ours). We can either hope Arteta "comes good" or get a manager who won't learn on the job and will put into place what he's learnt on the job.

If KSE has sense and balls, they'd do this:

- Sound out Conte
- Get to Ancelotti's agent and see if he'd be willing to leave Real Madrid, even though they're the world's biggest club, La Liga champions and possibly 15 times CL winners very soon. Worst he can say is "no". Though he might want to try himself in the PL again, since Everton was a bad fit and we have more resources and are a bigger club overall. RM change their managers at will, and even if they win big stuff. Look at how they sacked Hunckyes after he won their first CL since the Puskas/di Stefano days.
- Sound out Inzaghi
- Get in touch with Tuchel's agent
- Sound out Simeone

All of these managers have won leagues before, and don't need to "learn on the job still".

Tuchel is shit !

[theHotHead]

Record points totals mean little in today’s game tbf, it’s become much easier to hit more points than before due to teams being so open, even when the top teams aren’t playing well they still do which sums up the quality of the opposition.

Record points, record goals for a season about 3 games ago as well.

You are an absolute melt at times Ozim, seriously.

Our record points totals is because its easier to hit more points ???? Are you f***ing serious ????

Not long ago we had a discussion and agreed the gap across the teams is smaller now because even the shit teams have money to spend on decent players, but here you are saying its easier to get points

[TedLasso]

Record points totals mean little in today’s game tbf, it’s become much easier to hit more points than before due to teams being so open, even when the top teams aren’t playing well they still do which sums up the quality of the opposition.

Record points, record goals for a season about 3 games ago as well.

You are an absolute melt at times Ozim, seriously.

Our record points totals is because its easier to hit more points ???? Are you f***ing serious ????

Not long ago we had a discussion and agreed the gap across the teams is smaller now because even the shit teams have money to spend on decent players, but here you are saying its easier to get points

Things that don't matter:
- Goals
- Wins
- Points
- Clean Sheets

Things that do:
- Trophies

If only we'd stop wasting our time on scoring goals and winning matches, maybe we could get one of those trophies they're always handing out.

[ag6789]

No, only trophies matter, so, skip the season and follow the 38th game. Then multiple choice questions: Trophy came? Yes or No?
If No, kick the manager's backside into the streets. If 'Yes'..... deathly silence. Then after 2 days start moaning for the next season....
Standard GW practice!!!

[alexis2015finalgoal]

He has to hope Spurs dont lose to City and then beat Everton to keep his job.

A better manager with more experience would push us over the line. Considering we already have many good players in our side.

Lots of our players are in their early to mid-20s, and a few are in their late 20s like Trossard and Raya (I count him as our player as it's obvious we'll pay Brentford the fee to keep him as ours). We can either hope Arteta "comes good" or get a manager who won't learn on the job and will put into place what he's learnt on the job.

If KSE has sense and balls, they'd do this:

- Sound out Conte
- Get to Ancelotti's agent and see if he'd be willing to leave Real Madrid, even though they're the world's biggest club, La Liga champions and possibly 15 times CL winners very soon. Worst he can say is "no". Though he might want to try himself in the PL again, since Everton was a bad fit and we have more resources and are a bigger club overall. RM change their managers at will, and even if they win big stuff. Look at how they sacked Hunckyes after he won their first CL since the Puskas/di Stefano days.
- Sound out Inzaghi
- Get in touch with Tuchel's agent
- Sound out Simeone

All of these managers have won leagues before, and don't need to "learn on the job still".

Tuchel is shit !

he's won trophies. Is he elite, as in Pep or Ancelotti levels? Possibly not. Doesn't matter. Most competent managers are not at their level. Emery is competent but not elite. Same with Brendan Rodgers, Simeone, or Inzaghi.

[alexis2015finalgoal]

Imagine firing a manager after he records the club's record point total. No manager is walking into that kind of environment, especially when a handful of stars will be looking for the exit. It would be a devastating blow to the club which is why it's only being considered by Spud fans.

Though I suppose we all are today.

Is there a trophy for record points? f**k "record points".

How did all these odd stats enter contemporary football discourse?? lol

Why would players leave? Players want to win. Players know that managerial cycles are short as it stands.

"Odd stats" = the literal determining factor for the Premier League trophy

You people are caricatures of yourselves.

It is an odd stat.

There is no trophy for points won.

You're making an odd correlation. Yes, more points means more of a chance to win a league. but Wenger won a league on 78 points. He also won the FA Cup. Mikel is on the verge of winning nothing with "most PL points ever". So it's meaningless.

it's an odd stat since it's a weird correlation. and it's nothing in itself to laud.

[alexis2015finalgoal]

If I'm a caricurate of myself, then good.

I just want our club to compete and win. the least i expect is to compete and then to push on to win.

We have the finances, infrastructure and stated ambition to do so. So we should do it. Arteta is proving he isn't the man to do it.

[Angelito]

Arsenal's record points total = 90.

Just in case you guys have forgotten.

[theHotHead]

He has to hope Spurs dont lose to City and then beat Everton to keep his job.

A better manager with more experience would push us over the line. Considering we already have many good players in our side.

Lots of our players are in their early to mid-20s, and a few are in their late 20s like Trossard and Raya (I count him as our player as it's obvious we'll pay Brentford the fee to keep him as ours). We can either hope Arteta "comes good" or get a manager who won't learn on the job and will put into place what he's learnt on the job.

If KSE has sense and balls, they'd do this:

- Sound out Conte
- Get to Ancelotti's agent and see if he'd be willing to leave Real Madrid, even though they're the world's biggest club, La Liga champions and possibly 15 times CL winners very soon. Worst he can say is "no". Though he might want to try himself in the PL again, since Everton was a bad fit and we have more resources and are a bigger club overall. RM change their managers at will, and even if they win big stuff. Look at how they sacked Hunckyes after he won their first CL since the Puskas/di Stefano days.
- Sound out Inzaghi
- Get in touch with Tuchel's agent
- Sound out Simeone

All of these managers have won leagues before, and don't need to "learn on the job still".

Tuchel is shit !

he's won trophies. Is he elite, as in Pep or Ancelotti levels? Possibly not. Doesn't matter. Most competent managers are not at their level. Emery is competent but not elite. Same with Brendan Rodgers, Simeone, or Inzaghi.

Oh leave off!! He won the German Cup with Dortmund, he won the league with PSG - any one of us could do the same. He won some cups at Chelsea but was shit in the league, he won the Bundesliga with Bayern - again, any one of us could do the same!

[Ach]

Imagine firing a manager after he records the club's record point total. No manager is walking into that kind of environment, especially when a handful of stars will be looking for the exit. It would be a devastating blow to the club which is why it's only being considered by Spud fans.

Though I suppose we all are today.

Dear God.

I suggest you have a history lesson

But ignoring the hilarious mistake, we can look at it another way. Maybe arteta has taken us as far as he can and we still probably won't win the title. 89* points is a great total and unlikely to bettered so to win the title in following seasons, we have to expect man City to get a bit shit.

They regularly get 90+ unless they've won the title with games to spare like last season and don't give a shit last few games.

Can you see us getting 90+ regularly under Arteta?

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Arsenal's record points total = 90.

Just in case you guys have forgotten.

I said it earlier. 89 pts would be an impressive achirvement but it ain't a record total.

[TedLasso]

Imagine firing a manager after he records the club's record point total. No manager is walking into that kind of environment, especially when a handful of stars will be looking for the exit. It would be a devastating blow to the club which is why it's only being considered by Spud fans.

Though I suppose we all are today.

Dear God.

I suggest you have a history lesson

But ignoring the hilarious mistake, we can look at it another way. Maybe arteta has taken us as far as he can and we still probably won't win the title. 89* points is a great total and unlikely to bettered so to win the title in following seasons, we have to expect man City to get a bit shit.

They regularly get 90+ unless they've won the title with games to spare like last season and don't give a shit last few games.

Can you see us getting 90+ regularly under Arteta?

If Arteta's crime is that he is not Pep, then we will never find a manager to replace him. Might as well keep the guy who has twice put up 25+ win seasons and built a team that can and has beaten Pep head to head. I can definitely see us getting to 90+ considering we keep getting better every single year.

Keep crying though

[TedLasso]

Arsenal's record points total = 90.

Just in case you guys have forgotten.

I said it earlier. 89 pts would be an impressive achirvement but it ain't a record total.

Yeah, I misspoke. Was referring to the record WINS total. I've got a poster of the Invincibles schedule above my desk so I shouldn't have made that gaffe.

Thankfully, everyone here is super on edge to let me know about it.

[Salibatelli]

Record points totals mean little in today’s game tbf, it’s become much easier to hit more points than before due to teams being so open, even when the top teams aren’t playing well they still do which sums up the quality of the opposition.

Record points, record goals for a season about 3 games ago as well.

You are an absolute melt at times Ozim, seriously.

Our record points totals is because its easier to hit more points ???? Are you f***ing serious ????

Not long ago we had a discussion and agreed the gap across the teams is smaller now because even the shit teams have money to spend on decent players, but here you are saying its easier to get points

Yes and Liverpools and Man City, back in the day teams got less points because teams could actually defend, they didn’t concede left right and centre like today.

Have you looked at the table, Sheff Utd have the lowest point total and conceded the most goals ever I think, bottom group we cannon fodder, but ignoring that for the last 5-6 years it’s been much easier to get points against the other teams because they now try and play football and get slaughtered because of it.

Why do you think there were record goals about 4 or 5 games ago, is it because it’s harder to score?

Look at the amount of thashings handed out, it’s getting ridiculous.

I’m actually quite sick of hearing about teams like Man City getting record points because they are the best ever, when actually teams now just collapse and get hammered pretty easily compared to 20-25 years ago.