Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

[Yago]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

And why have these youth players become an integral part of the first team
Is it because arsenal have always been a progressive club for giving youth a chance?
If there is a development league for under 23 players why are they not considered young
It’s the collective doom of everything’s shit

Saka and Martinelli are Emery pruducts, nothing to do with Arteta. ESR only got his chance against Chelsea because there was no one else. Had WIllian not been injured, we'd still have been playing him over ESR.

This isn't all "doom and gloom", we just want to continue that tradition, and seeing Willian and Pepe fail again and again while not giving the youth a go is frustrating.

They're not 'Emery products'.

Saka was a youth player before he arrived and Martinelli was signed by Mislintat.

Not gonna argue with that, just saying they were given their chance/had their breakthrough under Emery / not under Arteta.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Ironically, Saka, Willock, Nelson and Martinelli all got chances from Emery because of our summer 2019 transfer horrorshow. Half the starting XI were allowed to leave or go on loan without being replaced.

This season we have ESR, Saliba and Balogun hammering on the door. ESR couldn't get a look in until we reached relegation form. Young players are ignored because the manager has his wishlist and won't play anybody else unless his job's on the line.

[DiamondGooner]

Two places ahead of us but apparently for some clubs that's not the standard expected so Frank Lampard has been fired and Tuchel is incoming.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55794158

[Phil71]

Two places ahead of us but apparently for some clubs that's not the standard expected so Frank Lampard has been fired and Tuchel is incoming.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55794158

No club in the world backed their manager as much as they did with Lampard last summer.

They gave him the players he wanted and he couldn't get them playing.

I did think they'd give him more time though. I thought he'd be given time to build a new team. But Abrahamovic wants instant success. He puts his money up and wants results for it.

[VCC]

Two places ahead of us but apparently for some clubs that's not the standard expected so Frank Lampard has been fired and Tuchel is incoming.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55794158

No club in the world backed their manager as much as they did with Lampard last summer.

They gave him the players he wanted and he couldn't get them playing.

I did think they'd give him more time though. I thought he'd be given time to build a new team. But Abrahamovic wants instant success. He puts his money up and wants results for it.

There is the difference
Abrahmovic is a fan he wants success that to him equates to trophies and success on the pitch.
Kronke is all about bussiness he only want cash returns

[Yago]

Two places ahead of us but apparently for some clubs that's not the standard expected so Frank Lampard has been fired and Tuchel is incoming.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55794158

No club in the world backed their manager as much as they did with Lampard last summer.

They gave him the players he wanted and he couldn't get them playing.

I did think they'd give him more time though. I thought he'd be given time to build a new team. But Abrahamovic wants instant success. He puts his money up and wants results for it.

Actually, the only player he wanted they got was Chilwell. He asked for Rice, but their board thought bringing back an academy prospect they let go was too humiliating.

[starmandb]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

Gabriel is 23
If these players like saka( who is younger than Balogun) have established themselves as first team regulars that is a credit to arsenal promoting youth

[Yago]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

Gabriel is 23
If these players like saka( who is younger than Balogun) have established themselves as first team regulars that is a credit to arsenal promoting youth

It is, but Arsenal and Arteta are not the same.

[starmandb]

It's not purely about the age of a player, it's about giving youth players a chance. I'm struggling to see how you get to 4 youth players vs southampton? Martinelli already broke through last year, and is an integral part of our first team. That's not "giving a youth player a chance". Nketiah would qualify, sure, but there the complaints are more about him being given plenty of chances already why Balogun doesn't get any opportunity. I have no clue where you get the other 2 from, unless you mean that Saka sub who again is already a key player for the first team.

What we're asking for is giving Azeez, Cottrell or Balogun a go.

And why have these youth players become an integral part of the first team
Is it because arsenal have always been a progressive club for giving youth a chance?
If there is a development league for under 23 players why are they not considered young
It’s the collective doom of everything’s shit

Saka and Martinelli are Emery pruducts, nothing to do with Arteta. ESR only got his chance against Chelsea because there was no one else. Had WIllian not been injured, we'd still have been playing him over ESR.

This isn't all "doom and gloom", we just want to continue that tradition, and seeing Willian and Pepe fail again and again while not giving the youth a go is frustrating.

So George graham should get no credit for developing the young Tony adams( debut under Terry neill)
Or the young David Rocastle ( debut under don howe) ?
Both had played more football for arsenal when graham joined than
The young
Saka
Martinelli
Smith Rowe
Nelson
Nketiah
Gabriel
Tierney
Ceballos
Had when arteta took over
Or wenger for parlour ( debut under graham) for that matter

[Salibatelli]

Saka is the only one that’s shown improvement under Arteta.

Martinelli hasn’t, he was equally as good if not better for Emery

Smith Rowe has barely had a game and only got to play due to injuries/suspensions, prior to that Arteta wouldn’t play him in any games other that EL/Caraboa

Nelson hardly plays

Nketiah is pretty poor but is one of Artetas favourites so gets game time

Gabriel I wouldn’t rank as a kid, he developed in France, we signed him as a 1st choice CB

Likewise Tierney, he was a first choice who developed at Celtic

Ceballos has been average and really doesn’t seem to get a run in the team

The point stands, the guy plays his favourites, occasionally a kid comes in but it’s more down to circumstances than decision making.

[Salibatelli]

Absolute nonsense about wenger fielding youth in his first 58 games
Bit fed up posting comparisons
They get ignored only for the same shit to keep being repeated

The random facts you post lack context. I can't see where anyone says Wenger was fielding youth in his first 58 games. Also, the Academy system Wenger inherited wasn't the same as what what Arteta has. We weren't producing British attacking talent like Smith Rowe and Saka. We were way behind other European clubs in that area which is why Wenger spent his early years poaching young players from other clubs. Also, Wenger wasn't struggling to establish an attacking brand of football and this wasn't his first job. The comparisons are a bit redundant with some sort of context.

I haven’t seen you address this post from PNG Starman?

[theHotHead]

Absolute nonsense about wenger fielding youth in his first 58 games
Bit fed up posting comparisons
They get ignored only for the same shit to keep being repeated

You're wasting your time.

They've made up their minds for whatever reason (leaving Ozil out of the team for many of them) and won't let up about it.

LOOOL !! Obssessed much ...... the guy no longer plays for Arsenal, let it go buddy.

[theHotHead]

It is impossible to field the same 11 day in and day out. More so with teens like Saka, Martinelli, ESR. They aren't hardened professionals yet and need to be nurtured carefully. Also underperforming Willian and Pepe need to be played regularly until replacements( seniors for seniors ) arrive.
They are paid for it and efforts have to be made to get the best out of them.
A defeat against an in-form Soton tastes bad but we need to take it on the chin and move on. After all this is how transition looks like. Win some lose some.

And yet Man U won the league with 5 youngsters that played week in week out, the so-called Fergie's kids.

[Phil71]

Saka is the only one that’s shown improvement under Arteta.

Martinelli hasn’t, he was equally as good if not better for Emery

Smith Rowe has barely had a game and only got to play due to injuries/suspensions, prior to that Arteta wouldn’t play him in any games other that EL/Caraboa

Nelson hardly plays

Nketiah is pretty poor but is one of Artetas favourites so gets game time

Gabriel I wouldn’t rank as a kid, he developed in France, we signed him as a 1st choice CB

Likewise Tierney, he was a first choice who developed at Celtic

Ceballos has been average and really doesn’t seem to get a run in the team

The point stands, the guy plays his favourites, occasionally a kid comes in but it’s more down to circumstances than decision making.

Saka is the only one that’s shown improvement under Arteta. - not the case.

Martinelli hasn’t, he was equally as good if not better for Emery - he hasn't played because he's been injured / recovering from injury.

Smith Rowe has barely had a game and only got to play due to injuries/suspensions, prior to that Arteta wouldn’t play him in any games other that EL/Caraboa - this is fairly normal. Other big clubs also nurture their good young players in this way.

Nelson hardly plays - because he's not good enough. There are other players to fill that right hand slot. Even Pepe and Willian are better then him.

Nketiah is pretty poor but is one of Artetas favourites so gets game time - because we haven't had any other strikers to fill in.

Gabriel I wouldn’t rank as a kid, he developed in France, we signed him as a 1st choice CB - and he has played well under Arteta.

Likewise Tierney, he was a first choice who developed at Celtic - and he has played well under Arteta.

Ceballos has been average and really doesn’t seem to get a run in the team - you've answered your own question there.

[Salibatelli]

Saka is the only one that’s shown improvement under Arteta.

Martinelli hasn’t, he was equally as good if not better for Emery

Smith Rowe has barely had a game and only got to play due to injuries/suspensions, prior to that Arteta wouldn’t play him in any games other that EL/Caraboa

Nelson hardly plays

Nketiah is pretty poor but is one of Artetas favourites so gets game time

Gabriel I wouldn’t rank as a kid, he developed in France, we signed him as a 1st choice CB

Likewise Tierney, he was a first choice who developed at Celtic

Ceballos has been average and really doesn’t seem to get a run in the team

The point stands, the guy plays his favourites, occasionally a kid comes in but it’s more down to circumstances than decision making.

Saka is the only one that’s shown improvement under Arteta. - not the case.

Martinelli hasn’t, he was equally as good if not better for Emery - he hasn't played because he's been injured / recovering from injury.

Smith Rowe has barely had a game and only got to play due to injuries/suspensions, prior to that Arteta wouldn’t play him in any games other that EL/Caraboa - this is fairly normal. Other big clubs also nurture their good young players in this way.

Nelson hardly plays - because he's not good enough. There are other players to fill that right hand slot. Even Pepe and Willian are better then him.

Nketiah is pretty poor but is one of Artetas favourites so gets game time - because we haven't had any other strikers to fill in.

Gabriel I wouldn’t rank as a kid, he developed in France, we signed him as a 1st choice CB - and he has played well under Arteta.

Likewise Tierney, he was a first choice who developed at Celtic - and he has played well under Arteta.

Ceballos has been average and really doesn’t seem to get a run in the team - you've answered your own question there.

Saka - IMO Saka is the only one

Martinelli - Yes and no, prior to the original lockdown Martinelli was brilliant, after it Arteta didn’t pick him at all and then he got injured, neither here nor there though he hasn’t got any better.

Nelson - Not when they don’t have any options, he should have feature more

Nelson - hardly fair he’s barely got a game, I don’t trust Artetas judgement but Nelson has shown some ability in the past (here and when on loan)

Nketiah - who cares, there are other options as well he could have tried, fact is this guy doesn’t cut it, doesn’t matter how much Arteta likes him

Gabriel & Tierney - whats your point here, they were both first teamed and bought for that, they haven’t improved anyway they’ve just done what they did at their former clubs where they developed, they aren’t kinds in the true sense

Ceballos, yes though considering how bad our midfield is you’d think he’d have got a run, it was Arteta that wanted him on loan again after all