theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:
It doesn't matter what Emery did in his first season - that has nothing to do with what was actually handed over to Arteta.
You can't ignore 19/20. That was when the handover actually happened! What was handed over was a team who had taken 23 points from 18 matches and were in crisis.
Right now were are in better shape than when Arteta took over. Not by much mind you.
But we have improved.
Come on Jay, don't try to dismiss the key points of the argument because you know it defeats your point. Thjere are many similarities which I think makes the comparison as apples to apples as you can get:
- Both managers had a full season
- Both of those full seasons followed taking over a team in turmoil
- Both managers spent £70M on players (I could argue Arteta ended up with gross £140m worth of players)
Emery out-performed Arteta on a level playing field Jay, what happened in 2019-20 has no bearing whatsoever on this. In fact, its even more of a damning indictment of Arteta because Arteta had over half a season to get familiar with the players before the start of his full season !
I still don't see why we should cut off Emery's last half a season. Makes no sense.
The point where he handed the keys over was the starting point for Arteta.
From that starting point - overall - we have got better.
Wenger got 6th I think in his last season - but it was a decline from where we had been and had been going on for years.
Emery got 5th and then took us into a serious decline where I think we were 4 points off relegation. That is why he got sacked.
He'd had a full season and then went into a serious decline.
Arteta on the other hand had half a season and won a trophy, went into last year and had us in a similar position near Christmas as Emery did the season before. The reason he wasn't sacked was that he had not had a full season yet, had won that trophy and by that stage was less than a year into his tenure. There were many good reasons to sack him at that point and I would not have complained. I actually thought that 7 game run of winning only 2 points warranted him getting the sack. But he wasn't sacked. It's now history.
Arteta recovered things in the last 6 months of the season.
It would be utterly moronic to sack a guy coming off a 6-month spell of winning the 2nd or 3rd most points in the PL and taking that into a new season.
Can you imagine being in a job and your boss says, hey this needs to get better. We're giving you one last chance. You then deliver and your boss sacks you anyway? That would be stupid.
If , however, he has a similar slump up to Christmas, with a full season already behind him, I would expect he will be sacked.
The Arteta bashing on this forum is ridiculous in the extreme.
Everything is turned around as being his fault except when something goes right - then it's not his achievement.
We even have Saliba and Guendouzi being heralded as world stars and a big miss for us purely because Arteta doesn't fancy them, whilst everyone he signs is labelled as rubbish or not worth it. All before a ball is kicked this season. I only hope our new players don't read any of the utter shite being posted about them from some fans...and then to top it all off these negative doomers run around accusing fans of being trolls because they don't want to slag off everything about our club.
Time to wake up HH.
I am quite prepared to engage in discussion about Arteta's flaws but I find it worthless to do so when the debate is so extreme and toxic.
In the face of that, I am only going to discuss the positives.