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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Tue May 14, 2024 9:48 pm

Rockape wrote:This thread has gone from being a bit silly, to utterly ridiculous! Ach amongst others, trying to save face with quite stupid comments!

Anyone would think we have been battling to finish top 4 by reading their comments.

I am not a fan of Arteta but I am baffled by some of these comments.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 12:47 am

It's simple. he's had four years to build a winning side. Time doesn't stay still. yes, we have a good team. but we're a nearly time. is he the man to push us forward? Either we "hope" he is and give him time, or we get another manager of better experience to push us over the line.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 1:27 am

How much more time do we have him to "get good"? Time doesn't stand still. Our players are on the big stage and despite most pundits or rival fans saying few if any of them are world class, theyr'e still highly-rated. Rice would get in City's midfield, and Saka would rival Foden and definitely Doku for their right forward position. Saliba, Gabriel and Trossard would walk into all other PL sides. Spurs would kill for a player like Trossard, as would Man U.

Villa have officially got CL football now, and yes they'll get a very tough group like Newcastle did but they'll certainly use the money well and try and build on it. Newcastle still have Saudi backing. Chelsea won't be shit forever, and even this season have played well in parts. Man United won't be crap forever, and Liverpool sans Klopp is still a massive club that will attract big players and compete. Even Spurs would still up there. Can't discount West Ham, and there always is a surprise package who will challenge. We were the surprise last season, and probably even Arteta/Edu didn't expect us to have as strong a challenge as we did in 22/23, especially as we got 5th in 21/22. Maybe Everton, with their new owners and stadium, but also finally become a decent side and challenge, which is something they've never really done in PL history.

Football is very dynamic, and i'd still ask how much more time do we give him.

We have the core of a team that can challenge for a few years at the least. But then didn't Sanchez leave since he was tired of it? didn't Cesc? or Nasri? Or van Persie? If we're a nearly team as we were under latter Wenger, then the same shit will happen again. and we'd have fans saying the owners are "good" because they're spending money. when it's from the club and not their own personal finances. And considering we get £100m a season from match-day income alone, £150m TV money, and yearly payments from Emirates, the Rwanda government, and Adidas, spending £200m a year on transfer fees should be expected.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Nuggets » Wed May 15, 2024 7:33 am

theHotHead wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:He has to hope Spurs dont lose to City and then beat Everton to keep his job.

A better manager with more experience would push us over the line. Considering we already have many good players in our side.

Lots of our players are in their early to mid-20s, and a few are in their late 20s like Trossard and Raya (I count him as our player as it's obvious we'll pay Brentford the fee to keep him as ours). We can either hope Arteta "comes good" or get a manager who won't learn on the job and will put into place what he's learnt on the job.

If KSE has sense and balls, they'd do this:

- Sound out Conte
- Get to Ancelotti's agent and see if he'd be willing to leave Real Madrid, even though they're the world's biggest club, La Liga champions and possibly 15 times CL winners very soon. Worst he can say is "no". Though he might want to try himself in the PL again, since Everton was a bad fit and we have more resources and are a bigger club overall. RM change their managers at will, and even if they win big stuff. Look at how they sacked Hunckyes after he won their first CL since the Puskas/di Stefano days.
- Sound out Inzaghi
- Get in touch with Tuchel's agent
- Sound out Simeone

All of these managers have won leagues before, and don't need to "learn on the job still".

Tuchel is shit !


he's won trophies. Is he elite, as in Pep or Ancelotti levels? Possibly not. Doesn't matter. Most competent managers are not at their level. Emery is competent but not elite. Same with Brendan Rodgers, Simeone, or Inzaghi.

Oh leave off!! He won the German Cup with Dortmund, he won the league with PSG - any one of us could do the same. He won some cups at Chelsea but was shit in the league, he won the Bundesliga with Bayern - again, any one of us could do the same!


He won the CL at Chelsea which is something we haven't won. Emery was good enough for us to hire off winning Ligue 1. what's the difference? I said he's not elite, but he's still good. he's better equipped thanthe manager you love who is still a baby compared to many other managers in the game.

You should realise Pep has won the Bundesliga. So by your own logic, Guardiola is rubbish. So did Ancelotti. You haven't really made a point.

Di Matteo won the CL at Chelsea - not a great feat when you have a team of top players at the club.

Emery is elite, he was elite when we hired him, to win 3 Europa League titles with Sevilla is fantastic. He wasn't given time at Arsenal, fair enough, that doesn't make him a bad manager, just wasn't a good fit.

Anyone and his dog can win the Bundesliga with Bayern FFS, come on dude. What gave Ancelotti his stripes were the CL wins with AC Milan, he then followed it up with his performances at Real. Ok, I have used the argument that Ancelotti only manages the biggest/richest teams in the respective leagues so its no wonder he wins titles, same with Pep. The difference between Pep and Ancelotti is Pep takes that top team and has them like they are on steroids, Ancelotti can't do that, thats why I rate Pep as the best of the best.


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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 12:07 pm

TedLasso wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
TedLasso wrote:I'm happy with winning 25+ games every season, pushing our points total higher year over year, while I get to drink a pint and watch Saka, Rice, Odegaard, Saliba, and Ben White every week.

All you do is whine like a spoiled toddler. But hey, whatever makes you happy, right?


Points total is bs since it doesn't equate to a trophy.


How do they determine who gets the PL trophy at the end of the season?


There is no points threshold to win a league, it'sthe team with the most points that wins a league. Liverpool got 98 points, but still finished second. So that alone shows that high points alone doesn't mean one is champions.

It's another BS stat, made by the dopey X/Twitter fans.

I bet Wenger is there laughing in his FIFA office, when he won the league with 78 points. It's pathetic and paltry to celebrate "most points". How can you say that we'd get more points next season?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby TedLasso » Wed May 15, 2024 12:11 pm

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
TedLasso wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
TedLasso wrote:I'm happy with winning 25+ games every season, pushing our points total higher year over year, while I get to drink a pint and watch Saka, Rice, Odegaard, Saliba, and Ben White every week.

All you do is whine like a spoiled toddler. But hey, whatever makes you happy, right?


Points total is bs since it doesn't equate to a trophy.


How do they determine who gets the PL trophy at the end of the season?


There is no points threshold to win a league, it'sthe team with the most points that wins a league. Liverpool got 98 points, but still finished second. So that alone shows that high points alone doesn't mean one is champions.

It's another BS stat, made by the dopey X/Twitter fans.

I bet Wenger is there laughing in his FIFA office, when he won the league with 78 points. It's pathetic and paltry to celebrate "most points". How can you say that we'd get more points next season?


How would you suggest we win the league if we do not try to maximize our point total? Do you have a semblance of an IQ point rattling around that noggin?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 12:11 pm

TedLasso wrote:Funny because only one of us is even talking about the wins. All you have is Trophy Envy.

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Why not?

So the club doesn't have any real financial issues, has excellent infrastructure, and can attract high-value sponsorships. Two actual countries sponsor us - Rwanda via Visit Rwanda and the UAE through Emirates. We've got a name that two literal countries sponsor us, yet we shouldn't expect success or at least be consistently competing. looool. Not as if the many millions of Gooners who buy shirts and merch every year doesn't boost our coffers. There are clubs with multiple champions leagues that don't have our global presence, like Porto, Nottm. Forest, etc.

And it's not as if the point of moving to our current stadium wasn't to compete at a higher level, based off the Wenger successes. oh no.

So yeah, how dare us demand a lot. Not as if we don't have the history to warrant such high demands. Not as if only Man United and Liverpool has won more leagues than us in English footballing history.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 12:18 pm

theHotHead wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:He has to hope Spurs dont lose to City and then beat Everton to keep his job.

A better manager with more experience would push us over the line. Considering we already have many good players in our side.

Lots of our players are in their early to mid-20s, and a few are in their late 20s like Trossard and Raya (I count him as our player as it's obvious we'll pay Brentford the fee to keep him as ours). We can either hope Arteta "comes good" or get a manager who won't learn on the job and will put into place what he's learnt on the job.

If KSE has sense and balls, they'd do this:

- Sound out Conte
- Get to Ancelotti's agent and see if he'd be willing to leave Real Madrid, even though they're the world's biggest club, La Liga champions and possibly 15 times CL winners very soon. Worst he can say is "no". Though he might want to try himself in the PL again, since Everton was a bad fit and we have more resources and are a bigger club overall. RM change their managers at will, and even if they win big stuff. Look at how they sacked Hunckyes after he won their first CL since the Puskas/di Stefano days.
- Sound out Inzaghi
- Get in touch with Tuchel's agent
- Sound out Simeone

All of these managers have won leagues before, and don't need to "learn on the job still".

Tuchel is shit !


he's won trophies. Is he elite, as in Pep or Ancelotti levels? Possibly not. Doesn't matter. Most competent managers are not at their level. Emery is competent but not elite. Same with Brendan Rodgers, Simeone, or Inzaghi.

Oh leave off!! He won the German Cup with Dortmund, he won the league with PSG - any one of us could do the same. He won some cups at Chelsea but was shit in the league, he won the Bundesliga with Bayern - again, any one of us could do the same!


He won the CL at Chelsea which is something we haven't won. Emery was good enough for us to hire off winning Ligue 1. what's the difference? I said he's not elite, but he's still good. he's better equipped thanthe manager you love who is still a baby compared to many other managers in the game.

You should realise Pep has won the Bundesliga. So by your own logic, Guardiola is rubbish. So did Ancelotti. You haven't really made a point.

Di Matteo won the CL at Chelsea - not a great feat when you have a team of top players at the club.

Emery is elite, he was elite when we hired him, to win 3 Europa League titles with Sevilla is fantastic. He wasn't given time at Arsenal, fair enough, that doesn't make him a bad manager, just wasn't a good fit.

Anyone and his dog can win the Bundesliga with Bayern FFS, come on dude. What gave Ancelotti his stripes were the CL wins with AC Milan, he then followed it up with his performances at Real. Ok, I have used the argument that Ancelotti only manages the biggest/richest teams in the respective leagues so its no wonder he wins titles, same with Pep. The difference between Pep and Ancelotti is Pep takes that top team and has them like they are on steroids, Ancelotti can't do that, thats why I rate Pep as the best of the best.


No, Emery isn't elite. He hasn't won the biggest trophies. Most clubs that have won the EL over the past decades have been middle-tier European clubs, or at the most big clubs in their own countries only. The exceptions are Man U and Chelsea but Sevilla, Eintracht, Villareal, etc. are not massive clubs in a Europe-wide sense. Emery hasn't won a big European league like the Premier League or La Liga. I never said he's shit. I said he's not elite, since his record isn't such.

Tuchel has won trophies before, and one crap season at Bayern doesn't mean he's finished. He would do a better job than Arteta given his experience. We know what he's about and Arteta is STILL learning.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby TedLasso » Wed May 15, 2024 12:28 pm

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Funny because only one of us is even talking about the wins. All you have is Trophy Envy.

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Why not?

So the club doesn't have any real financial issues, has excellent infrastructure, and can attract high-value sponsorships. Two actual countries sponsor us - Rwanda via Visit Rwanda and the UAE through Emirates. We've got a name that two literal countries sponsor us, yet we shouldn't expect success or at least be consistently competing. looool. Not as if the many millions of Gooners who buy shirts and merch every year doesn't boost our coffers. There are clubs with multiple champions leagues that don't have our global presence, like Porto, Nottm. Forest, etc.

And it's not as if the point of moving to our current stadium wasn't to compete at a higher level, based off the Wenger successes. oh no.

So yeah, how dare us demand a lot. Not as if we don't have the history to warrant such high demands. Not as if only Man United and Liverpool has won more leagues than us in English footballing history.


No one has a problem with WANTING trophies. It's the "Trophy or Burn It All Down" mentality that reeks of desperation from infantile "fans" who don't know the first thing about competition.

You speak like it's OWED to you, just because we've got money and you're impatient. Newsflash, the world doesn't work that way. You have to fight and claw just to get yourself in position to win and now that we have, you want to hit the reset button and restart the project again? Daft morons.

Here are the facts:

- Arsenal have won 25+ games in back to back seasons, which we haven't done since the 04-05 seasons.
- When we beat Everton on Sunday, we'll stand at 89 points, our second highest total ever. Which means Arteta now has two of the five best PL seasons in club history.
- 3rd highest goal differential in club history
- Most goals scored in a 38-match PL season in club history already
- 4th fewest goals allowed in a 38-match PL season in club history

Everything about the club is on the way up, improving year over year, and you want to blow it up before the summit? The only people who agree with that are losers and the Spuds. Which one are you?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Wed May 15, 2024 12:34 pm

Seems like some would rather finish 2nd with 89 points than win the title with 78 points.

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby TedLasso » Wed May 15, 2024 12:38 pm

Ach wrote:Seems like some would rather finish 2nd with 89 points than win the title with 78 points.

Finding out who the spuds are on here for sure


Once again you've put your keen and penetrating mind to the task and come to the wrong conclusion. Obvious Spud is obvious.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Wed May 15, 2024 12:40 pm

And now the backtracking has begun

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby TedLasso » Wed May 15, 2024 12:40 pm

Seems like some are simply too stupid to comprehend that in order to win trophies, you must win games. Or maybe you're all just new to the sport? Guess they don't teach ball over at Shite Hart Lane?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 1:37 pm

TedLasso wrote:
alexis2015finalgoal wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Funny because only one of us is even talking about the wins. All you have is Trophy Envy.

veruca-salt.png


Why not?

So the club doesn't have any real financial issues, has excellent infrastructure, and can attract high-value sponsorships. Two actual countries sponsor us - Rwanda via Visit Rwanda and the UAE through Emirates. We've got a name that two literal countries sponsor us, yet we shouldn't expect success or at least be consistently competing. looool. Not as if the many millions of Gooners who buy shirts and merch every year doesn't boost our coffers. There are clubs with multiple champions leagues that don't have our global presence, like Porto, Nottm. Forest, etc.

And it's not as if the point of moving to our current stadium wasn't to compete at a higher level, based off the Wenger successes. oh no.

So yeah, how dare us demand a lot. Not as if we don't have the history to warrant such high demands. Not as if only Man United and Liverpool has won more leagues than us in English footballing history.


No one has a problem with WANTING trophies. It's the "Trophy or Burn It All Down" mentality that reeks of desperation from infantile "fans" who don't know the first thing about competition.

You speak like it's OWED to you, just because we've got money and you're impatient. Newsflash, the world doesn't work that way. You have to fight and claw just to get yourself in position to win and now that we have, you want to hit the reset button and restart the project again? Daft morons.

Here are the facts:

- Arsenal have won 25+ games in back to back seasons, which we haven't done since the 04-05 seasons.
- When we beat Everton on Sunday, we'll stand at 89 points, our second highest total ever. Which means Arteta now has two of the five best PL seasons in club history.
- 3rd highest goal differential in club history
- Most goals scored in a 38-match PL season in club history already
- 4th fewest goals allowed in a 38-match PL season in club history

Everything about the club is on the way up, improving year over year, and you want to blow it up before the summit? The only people who agree with that are losers and the Spuds. Which one are you?


Yes, success is earned. it's about having the right tools for success in every facet. Including a better manager.

Yes, these stats are impressive but then they aren't trophies and are meaningless. We've won trophies before with less impressive stats.

There would be no reset button. A competent manager doesn't throw away things that are valuable. We have many good players. So by that logic, if Pep left, his replacement should sell the whole squad. It's never wise to smash a healthy system.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby alexis2015finalgoal » Wed May 15, 2024 1:38 pm

TedLasso wrote:Seems like some are simply too stupid to comprehend that in order to win trophies, you must win games. Or maybe you're all just new to the sport? Guess they don't teach ball over at Shite Hart Lane?

Cos it's a dumb stat that's being seen by some Gooners as a badge of honour.

Yes, winning games means more points. Doesn't mean there is some "golden total". and doesn't mean we will sustain this forever.
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