Tottenham 'hold positive talks with former Chelsea boss Antonio Conte' https://t.co/uSvGqfPsBb
another manager we'll let slip by...
by Paddy » Thu May 06, 2021 2:28 pm
by Highbury Hillbilly » Thu May 06, 2021 2:32 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Things have changed so quickly. Our standards have dropped.
We were playing Chelsea in the Europa League final not so long ago and they're now in the Champs League final whilst we're midtable and looking at life without Europe if we don't win tonight.
by theHotHead » Thu May 06, 2021 2:50 pm
CaptGooner wrote:Power n Glory wrote:We have a bottom of the barrel manager. His experience has cost us and anyone with experience now looks decent. When Wenger stepped down, Tuchel, Sarri, Ancelotti, Rafa, Rodgers..they wouldn't have been my first choice options. I didn’t rate Rafa or Tuchel at all. Same goes for Eddie Howe. But today....desperate times.
Not sure why many never rated Tuchel. Always thought he would have been the best option for us.
by theHotHead » Thu May 06, 2021 2:52 pm
Paddy wrote:Tottenham 'hold positive talks with former Chelsea boss Antonio Conte' https://t.co/uSvGqfPsBb
another manager we'll let slip by...
by swipe right » Thu May 06, 2021 2:56 pm
theHotHead wrote:Paddy wrote:Tottenham 'hold positive talks with former Chelsea boss Antonio Conte' https://t.co/uSvGqfPsBb
another manager we'll let slip by...
f***ing Kroenke needs a slap!
by Highbury Hillbilly » Thu May 06, 2021 3:19 pm
theHotHead wrote:Paddy wrote:Tottenham 'hold positive talks with former Chelsea boss Antonio Conte' https://t.co/uSvGqfPsBb
another manager we'll let slip by...
f***ing Kroenke needs a slap!
by Phil71 » Thu May 06, 2021 3:28 pm
theHotHead wrote:CaptGooner wrote:Power n Glory wrote:We have a bottom of the barrel manager. His experience has cost us and anyone with experience now looks decent. When Wenger stepped down, Tuchel, Sarri, Ancelotti, Rafa, Rodgers..they wouldn't have been my first choice options. I didn’t rate Rafa or Tuchel at all. Same goes for Eddie Howe. But today....desperate times.
Not sure why many never rated Tuchel. Always thought he would have been the best option for us.
For me he didn't do much at Dortmund, just piggy-backed off of what Klopp did. Didn't do anything special at PSG.
by starmandb » Thu May 06, 2021 3:45 pm
Power n Glory wrote:Goonerred wrote:Power n Glory wrote:CaptGooner wrote:Power n Glory wrote:We have a bottom of the barrel manager. His experience has cost us and anyone with experience now looks decent. When Wenger stepped down, Tuchel, Sarri, Ancelotti, Rafa, Rodgers..they wouldn't have been my first choice options. I didn’t rate Rafa or Tuchel at all. Same goes for Eddie Howe. But today....desperate times.
Not sure why many never rated Tuchel. Always thought he would have been the best option for us.
At the time he didn’t have as much experience compared to a few others. It was just the German Domestic Cup to his name and at the time we were looking for a Wenger replacement. I wanted someone with experience of winning league titles and cups. We went with Uani instead.
As said, today is a different story. If we're going to back a coach with funds, at least back someone credible. At the moment we're all hoping Arteta turns into a great coach when it may just be an excellent assistant coach somewhere else.
That's so true and why wouldn't we? Chelsea and United get rid of managaers to keep the in CL and challenging. Rodgers was floated at the time and I thought 'no' we need somebody better. LOL at me. We're are so far away from where we were, we look back and wonder. HIndsight is wonderful.
Things have changed so quickly. Our standards have dropped.
We were playing Chelsea in the Europa League final not so long ago and they're now in the Champs League final whilst we're midtable and looking at life without Europe if we don't win tonight.
by Highbury Hillbilly » Thu May 06, 2021 3:49 pm
theHotHead wrote:CaptGooner wrote:Power n Glory wrote:We have a bottom of the barrel manager. His experience has cost us and anyone with experience now looks decent. When Wenger stepped down, Tuchel, Sarri, Ancelotti, Rafa, Rodgers..they wouldn't have been my first choice options. I didn’t rate Rafa or Tuchel at all. Same goes for Eddie Howe. But today....desperate times.
Not sure why many never rated Tuchel. Always thought he would have been the best option for us.
For me he didn't do much at Dortmund, just piggy-backed off of what Klopp did. Didn't do anything special at PSG.
by Power n Glory » Thu May 06, 2021 3:49 pm
starmandb wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Goonerred wrote:Power n Glory wrote:CaptGooner wrote:Power n Glory wrote:We have a bottom of the barrel manager. His experience has cost us and anyone with experience now looks decent. When Wenger stepped down, Tuchel, Sarri, Ancelotti, Rafa, Rodgers..they wouldn't have been my first choice options. I didn’t rate Rafa or Tuchel at all. Same goes for Eddie Howe. But today....desperate times.
Not sure why many never rated Tuchel. Always thought he would have been the best option for us.
At the time he didn’t have as much experience compared to a few others. It was just the German Domestic Cup to his name and at the time we were looking for a Wenger replacement. I wanted someone with experience of winning league titles and cups. We went with Uani instead.
As said, today is a different story. If we're going to back a coach with funds, at least back someone credible. At the moment we're all hoping Arteta turns into a great coach when it may just be an excellent assistant coach somewhere else.
That's so true and why wouldn't we? Chelsea and United get rid of managaers to keep the in CL and challenging. Rodgers was floated at the time and I thought 'no' we need somebody better. LOL at me. We're are so far away from where we were, we look back and wonder. HIndsight is wonderful.
Things have changed so quickly. Our standards have dropped.
We were playing Chelsea in the Europa League final not so long ago and they're now in the Champs League final whilst we're midtable and looking at life without Europe if we don't win tonight.
Spurs were in a champions league final 2 seasons ago
2 years before that they had still won f**k all since
We have won 2 fa cups
by starmandb » Thu May 06, 2021 3:55 pm
by Angelito » Thu May 06, 2021 3:59 pm
by Power n Glory » Thu May 06, 2021 4:12 pm
starmandb wrote:I’m talking about an appearance in the champions league being a panacea for progress
The fact that it’s Spurs is a coincidence
They are the most recent team to have been in the champions league final that have not caused there trophy polisher overtime
by Power n Glory » Thu May 06, 2021 5:02 pm
Angelito wrote:Weren't Chelsea a point ahead of us when Lampard was sacked? They're now in the UCL final, in the FA Cup final, and are 4th in the league.
The issue with the Kroenkes is that they're almost afraid of hiring top quality managers. They don't want strong personalities. That's why they opted for yes-men over Conte, Tuchel, Allegri, or Pochettino. Even now, they're pumping PR-driven articles in favor of Arteta and the current status quo at Arsenal.
They were the engineers behind our downfall from UCL football because they decided to back Gazidis in his cold war with Wenger. They essentially sacrificed two of Wenger's final season just to kick him out of the club.
If they were as strategic and as ruthless, they'd have fired Wenger after 15/16 or wouldn't have offered Wenger that final contract at the end of 16/17.
You can't have it both ways. You can't expect devoted subservience from top professionals. You also can't expect to succeed by simply hiring mediocre yes-men.
The same set of fans that wanted Wenger out because top-4 was boring and unambitious, are now backing Arteta and defending Arsenal's mid-table glory.
Arsenal hierarchy is a master of manufacturing consent. Compare the media scrutiny when Wenger was around to what it is now. There's absolutely no pressure on Arteta to deliver. He's enjoying the most lucrative internship in the history of internships.
Gary Neville has started talking about Arsenal like we're Spurs. He'd never have dared when Wenger was around. Liverpool, ManU, and Arsenal are three stalwarts of the English game. Yet, the conversation has swiftly moved to Liverpool and ManU, like they're the Barca and Real.
Even amongst the fanbase, fans who question Arteta are labelled as "reactive, short-sighted," fans. How the Arsenal PR mechanism has managed to convince Arsenal fans that 10th isn't an utter disaster—should be included in the curriculum of public relations at colleges.
Masterful, I have to admit.
It's a shame that we've fallen so far. It's a bigger shame that Arsenal honchos are resorting to PR campaigns instead of actually doing anything about it.
by jayramfootball » Thu May 06, 2021 5:08 pm
Power n Glory wrote:starmandb wrote:I’m talking about an appearance in the champions league being a panacea for progress
The fact that it’s Spurs is a coincidence
They are the most recent team to have been in the champions league final that have not caused there trophy polisher overtime
Who said that? Strawman! I get the name now. Starman/Strawman. Funny.