starmandb wrote:Angelito wrote:starmandb wrote:swipe right wrote:Good thing we got rid of Wenger else we’d miss out on this glorious era of getting hit for three at home.
In wenger’s last 59 games
We conceded 3 at home to Leicester Man Utd Liverpool and Man City
Arteta may not be fit for purpose
Neither was wenger
Should we persist with Mikel in the hope that he wins two doubles, reaches the UCL Final, wins 7 FA Cups, builds a new stadium, and enshrines himself as an Invincible?
Every comparison between Wenger—our greatest ever—and Arteta is down to the whimsical analogy between Wenger's worst in 17/18 and Mikel's best, which is what it is now.
I do understand that Arteta has won 2 league titles at City. I would hope he wins two more such titles at Arsenal in the same capacity.
You're comparing the most visionary manager in the history of the game to Pep's assistant.
Respek, respek, respek.
3 Premier League titles. 3 for Wenger, 2 for Mikel.
Respek.
Mind you, I'm not opposed to a statue of Mikel Arteta for improving our defense. It's something we absolutely should do—to announce our conquest to the world.
So we were wrong to get rid of wenger then ?
The same wenger you said should have been sacked 7 years before after we lost at Nottingham Forest in the fa cup in jan 2018?
I didn’t want wenger sacked in January 2011
I thought he still had something to offer
I had changed my mind by October 2011 after another gutless lead losing display at Spurs
Wenger still remains the best manager I have seen at Arsenal
His last 7 years were not good enough
The fact that the last 3 have not been either is not a good enough reason for the rose tinted glasses to come out again
Arsenal still a huge draw in world football
Managerial appointment doesn’t work
You go again
Wenger is the greatest you or I will ever see at Arsenal because unlike Chelsea and City, he didn't buy the league. He didn't use his owner's money to establish Arsenal as a global franchise.
You, out of all people, know that the famed back-four we had, three of them were considering retirement and the popular narrative was that they simply weren't good enough for the modern rigours of football.
I was Wenger Out for a significant period. But he shouldn't have been sacked in 2011. In hindsight, he was the only Arsenal guy who held us together for much of those transition years.
Did we have sugar-daddy owners? Did we have a passionate football fan as our owner? Did we have an entire institution backing us?
No, never.
Arsenal was Wenger.
Think about it. Today, we have fans backing Arteta. He's improved us allegedly. Arsenal's shills like the Athletic praises the Kroenkes for understanding the diffrence between a #8 and a #10.
Did you want Wenger gone so that we could brag about our 10th place trophy? Wenger, who revived our fortunes, who had a better record against SAF until 2009 despite not having the resources or the backing; Wenger, who made neutrals fall in love with the game; Wenger, who could have quit anytime, after Dein left..
From a stalwart of a man, we're now with Arteta. As you've said, you want Arteta gone too. What I will never understand is the devotion towards Arteta; it's Gooners accepting Arsenal as a mid-table side, whilst soaring high for two decades in the UCL under Wenger, when all the odds were stacked against him.
Whether the Invincibles, the UCL run in 05/06, the loss in 07/08, the revival and Mesut Ozil's era in 13/14 and thereon, or the FA Cups, there was always the feeling of achievement in all those years. We still did our best.
We didn't hide behind anything. We didn't blame anyone else.
Today, the Arteta fans love to blame Wenger or how appalling, relegation-worthy this abysmal squad is.
It's been 3 years since Wenger's gone. Yet, we're worse off. It's YOUR Arsenal side that was 10 mins away from eliminating the greatest modern day side. It was YOUR Arsenal that Messi ever wanted to play for apart from Argentina and Barcelona. It was Arsenal that would have signed Cristiano if we weren't imporverished.
Can you imagine a world where legends like Cristiano and Messi would want to sign for Mikel Arteta?
That was Wenger's starpower.
This legendary, Arsenal icon of a manager we have, can't even get us to compete for top-6 places, whilst Gooners believe we need Haaland, Mbappe, and Neymar to do so.
As much as most wanted Wenger gone, we were wrong. We never factored in the equation of Arsenal monarchy wanting yes-men, wanting a typical American leader.
I don't give a flying f**k about our fans orgasming due to Arteta's legendary accomplishments as a Gunner.
What I expect is rationality and objectivity. Barring a few here, I haven't seen that.