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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:56 pm

So we have written of 2020-21 then have we ??

And on the topic of Wenger, I don't agree he was limited by finances, he still spent shit loads and bought the wrong players and opted for the wrong type of football.

Our failure is purely on him and his socialist nonsense he insisted on.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:03 pm

theHotHead wrote:So we have written of 2020-21 then have we ??

And on the topic of Wenger, I don't agree he was limited by finances, he still spent shit loads and bought the wrong players and opted for the wrong type of football.

Our failure is purely on him and his socialist nonsense he insisted on.

We’d be Stoke without him
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby KG3 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:21 pm

Arteta need to be more brave and give certain youngsters a chance like Nelson, ESR and Saliba just look at guardiolas first season at Barcelona Pique came in from united, Pedro and Busquests promotes into the first team.

All three of them played a large amount of games even though they had competition from seasoned pros like Marquez, Toure, Henry and by their second season they were ready to fully take over the others as first choice.

Right now Saka gets games and Nketiah and Willock but these were all regulars under Emery so it means nothing really.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby starmandb » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:22 pm

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:So we have written of 2020-21 then have we ??

And on the topic of Wenger, I don't agree he was limited by finances, he still spent shit loads and bought the wrong players and opted for the wrong type of football.

Our failure is purely on him and his socialist nonsense he insisted on.

We’d be Stoke without him

So arsenal who have not been out of the top flight for 105 years would be a 6th placed championship side( for that was there average position in the years wenger was at Arsenal) were it not for one very good in his day manager?
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby VCC » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:33 pm

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:So we have written of 2020-21 then have we ??

And on the topic of Wenger, I don't agree he was limited by finances, he still spent shit loads and bought the wrong players and opted for the wrong type of football.

Our failure is purely on him and his socialist nonsense he insisted on.

We’d be Stoke without him

We may as well been stoke for the most of it.
Everyone here knows my stance on AW biggest unachiever ever lived off his early year Arsenal version of Brian clough
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:44 pm

VCC wrote:
swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:So we have written of 2020-21 then have we ??

And on the topic of Wenger, I don't agree he was limited by finances, he still spent shit loads and bought the wrong players and opted for the wrong type of football.

Our failure is purely on him and his socialist nonsense he insisted on.

We’d be Stoke without him

We may as well been stoke for the most of it.
Everyone here knows my stance on AW biggest unachiever ever lived off his early year Arsenal version of Brian clough


Agreed, first part of his career he was great, post stadium move he was a massive failure.

Might have been better if we’d never left Highbury as we might not have changed the team so much and neglected what happened on the pitch.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby starmandb » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:09 pm

KG3 wrote:Arteta need to be more brave and give certain youngsters a chance like Nelson, ESR and Saliba just look at guardiolas first season at Barcelona Pique came in from united, Pedro and Busquests promotes into the first team.

All three of them played a large amount of games even though they had competition from seasoned pros like Marquez, Toure, Henry and by their second season they were ready to fully take over the others as first choice.

Right now Saka gets games and Nketiah and Willock but these were all regulars under Emery so it means nothing really.

Arsenal have played 41 games under arteta
41 games under guardiola at Barcelona was 1st of March 2009
Pique and busquets had played 29 games
Pedro 8
The youngest of the 3 players you mentioned was 21 and 8 months
Under arteta nkethia and saka have made more appearances than all of them
Willock nelson and martinelli have all played more than Pedro
All younger than 21 and 8 months
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:18 pm

KG3 wrote:Arteta need to be more brave and give certain youngsters a chance like Nelson, ESR and Saliba just look at guardiolas first season at Barcelona Pique came in from united, Pedro and Busquests promotes into the first team.

All three of them played a large amount of games even though they had competition from seasoned pros like Marquez, Toure, Henry and by their second season they were ready to fully take over the others as first choice.

Right now Saka gets games and Nketiah and Willock but these were all regulars under Emery so it means nothing really.


Arteta is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

If he gives chances to youngsters and we lose ........... you know what everyone is going to say.

The reason he's in trouble is because his first team walked out at the Emirates and literally couldn't be bothered, that was the same personnel but not the same team that beat Utd.

Fkin disgrace.

No matter what formation or system he plays if the players, play that way, nothing will work, what was shocking to me was that every player had the same sh*t attitude, which was weird, even Tierney who is mr consistent was crap.

However a couple of things he needs to do immediately ...........

Auba - in the middle, enough is enough, him creating crosses etc for other forwards not as good as him was too much to handle for me, he needs to be on the end of chances, not stuck outwide.

One of Willian or Saka needs to come off, both producing fk all chances, get Pepe on, possibly change to 4-4-2.

That's a start.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:46 am

You have to give the right youngsters a chance not all of them.

So the likes of Saka, Martinelli and Saliba should get more game time, then maybe the likes of Nelson (he’s been on loan already) some cup games and the odd appearance as a sub.

Nketiah and the rest should go on loan to prove themselves.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby The Break Water » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:44 pm

BREAKING NEWS: Arteta has just been appointed Sheffield Wednesday manager

BREAKING NEWS: Arteta has just taken over at Sheffield Wednesday following Garry Monk sacking.. Good job for Mikel, he can make them very hard to beat and get stuck in. They do leak goals so he will sure them at at the back and have 12 players behind the ball (against the relegation sides)

Good Luck Mikel, wish you success on your new team, hope you can scrap scrap scrap and be dogged and determined and defend like trojans against all opponents.

I actually thing he will do well because his ONLY attacking gameplay is for David Luiz too hoof the ball 85 yards as hard as he can for us to create any chance. I'm sure Sheffield Wednesday will do well, wish them all the best.

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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:41 pm

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:So we have written of 2020-21 then have we ??

And on the topic of Wenger, I don't agree he was limited by finances, he still spent shit loads and bought the wrong players and opted for the wrong type of football.

Our failure is purely on him and his socialist nonsense he insisted on.

We’d be Stoke without him

How so? 3rd most successful team in English football before Wenger joined. We were NEVER gonna be Stoke.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:44 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
KG3 wrote:Arteta need to be more brave and give certain youngsters a chance like Nelson, ESR and Saliba just look at guardiolas first season at Barcelona Pique came in from united, Pedro and Busquests promotes into the first team.

All three of them played a large amount of games even though they had competition from seasoned pros like Marquez, Toure, Henry and by their second season they were ready to fully take over the others as first choice.

Right now Saka gets games and Nketiah and Willock but these were all regulars under Emery so it means nothing really.


Arteta is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

If he gives chances to youngsters and we lose ........... you know what everyone is going to say.

The reason he's in trouble is because his first team walked out at the Emirates and literally couldn't be bothered, that was the same personnel but not the same team that beat Utd.

Fkin disgrace.

No matter what formation or system he plays if the players, play that way, nothing will work, what was shocking to me was that every player had the same sh*t attitude, which was weird, even Tierney who is mr consistent was crap.

However a couple of things he needs to do immediately ...........

Auba - in the middle, enough is enough, him creating crosses etc for other forwards not as good as him was too much to handle for me, he needs to be on the end of chances, not stuck outwide.

One of Willian or Saka needs to come off, both producing fk all chances, get Pepe on, possibly change to 4-4-2.

That's a start.

He is not really damned if he does or doesn't, the kids are not good enough, I don't want or expect them to get a lot of game time.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby theHotHead » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:48 pm

Rayyo wrote:everyone talks about giving youth a chance but with our fan base, would we really let them grow and develop?

it's all good saying give youth a chance but young players make mistakes and require patience.

you see how a player has one bad game for us and fans get on their back.

There is a right and wrong way to blood the kids in. First they have to be good enough, most of ours are not so they should go out on loan, the Arsenal first team is not the place for them to develop.

For the likes of Saka and Martinelli, they have the quality and should play regularly at Arsenal. They too will make mistakes but are at level where they will benefit the team despite those mistakes. Fans will give those 2 players a chance.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:40 pm

theHotHead wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
KG3 wrote:Arteta need to be more brave and give certain youngsters a chance like Nelson, ESR and Saliba just look at guardiolas first season at Barcelona Pique came in from united, Pedro and Busquests promotes into the first team.

All three of them played a large amount of games even though they had competition from seasoned pros like Marquez, Toure, Henry and by their second season they were ready to fully take over the others as first choice.

Right now Saka gets games and Nketiah and Willock but these were all regulars under Emery so it means nothing really.


Arteta is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

If he gives chances to youngsters and we lose ........... you know what everyone is going to say.

The reason he's in trouble is because his first team walked out at the Emirates and literally couldn't be bothered, that was the same personnel but not the same team that beat Utd.

Fkin disgrace.

No matter what formation or system he plays if the players, play that way, nothing will work, what was shocking to me was that every player had the same sh*t attitude, which was weird, even Tierney who is mr consistent was crap.

However a couple of things he needs to do immediately ...........

Auba - in the middle, enough is enough, him creating crosses etc for other forwards not as good as him was too much to handle for me, he needs to be on the end of chances, not stuck outwide.

One of Willian or Saka needs to come off, both producing fk all chances, get Pepe on, possibly change to 4-4-2.

That's a start.

He is not really damned if he does or doesn't, the kids are not good enough, I don't want or expect them to get a lot of game time.


But Arteta's critic isn't just down to you .............

The whole reason I wrote this post was in response to someone else demanding he play the kids.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby KG3 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:09 pm

theHotHead wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
KG3 wrote:Arteta need to be more brave and give certain youngsters a chance like Nelson, ESR and Saliba just look at guardiolas first season at Barcelona Pique came in from united, Pedro and Busquests promotes into the first team.

All three of them played a large amount of games even though they had competition from seasoned pros like Marquez, Toure, Henry and by their second season they were ready to fully take over the others as first choice.

Right now Saka gets games and Nketiah and Willock but these were all regulars under Emery so it means nothing really.


Arteta is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

If he gives chances to youngsters and we lose ........... you know what everyone is going to say.

The reason he's in trouble is because his first team walked out at the Emirates and literally couldn't be bothered, that was the same personnel but not the same team that beat Utd.

Fkin disgrace.

No matter what formation or system he plays if the players, play that way, nothing will work, what was shocking to me was that every player had the same sh*t attitude, which was weird, even Tierney who is mr consistent was crap.

However a couple of things he needs to do immediately ...........

Auba - in the middle, enough is enough, him creating crosses etc for other forwards not as good as him was too much to handle for me, he needs to be on the end of chances, not stuck outwide.

One of Willian or Saka needs to come off, both producing fk all chances, get Pepe on, possibly change to 4-4-2.

That's a start.

He is not really damned if he does or doesn't, the kids are not good enough, I don't want or expect them to get a lot of game time.


You don’t know that until they get a run of games though, some of them may hit the ground running like Fabregas and Martinelli or they could turn out to be slow learners like Song and Fabianski or they may turn out bad like Senderos and Bendtner. The fact is we won’t know until we actually play them, I’m not saying they should start in the prem but surely these guys should be getting minutes against Europa league teams and some cup games, if they excel in those games then play them in the league.
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