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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:08 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Makes no sense to talk down Neymar's ability because he plays in the French League whilst we're still shopping for players there. We've just signed two players nobody has ever heard of from the Portuguese and Belgium leagues! Those are far below Ligue 1 so what does that say about us?

We signed Gabriel, Pepe and Lacazette from Ligue 1. If it's obviously shit, then what are we doing signing players from that league and others?


Because the good players leave lesser leagues to go to better ones.
Even the average ones leave and then get found out in better leagues.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:23 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Makes no sense to talk down Neymar's ability because he plays in the French League whilst we're still shopping for players there. We've just signed two players nobody has ever heard of from the Portuguese and Belgium leagues! Those are far below Ligue 1 so what does that say about us?

We signed Gabriel, Pepe and Lacazette from Ligue 1. If it's obviously shit, then what are we doing signing players from that league and others?


Because the good players leave lesser leagues to go to better ones.
Even the average ones leave and then get found out in better leagues.


True to an extent. The Premier League hasn't been respected for years, which is why a lot of Prem players get snubbed for the Balon d' Or awards. Bergkamp and Henry had that problem because they flopped in Italy and flourished here when Serie A was the best league in the football.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Angelito » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:40 pm

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Power n Glory wrote:Saka is one of our most promising players but he's not our best yet. I'd agree with you if we were moving a player that has shown he can score 20-30 goals a season or 15 to 20 assists but that isn't the case yet. He's been just as good wherever he has played but he hasn't yet shown an eye for goal or the type of player that kills opponents with relentless killer passes.


This is a good point.

Saka has huge potential but we have been overlooking some aspects of his game since he is too young, which is only fair.

His main strength is his versatility. He carries the ball forward and can take on defenders. He also tracks back and helps defensively. However, his best performances have come as a LB or a wing-back. As a winger, he doesn't have elite dribbling skills yet. He doesn't have a final ball, nor is he a decent finisher.

Let's not forget that Saka can be anonymous in games. He didn't have a good end to the season, and during that atrocious run, he was inconsistent (before ESR popped up). In his defense, it's not out of the norm for young players to go missing in games.

I wouldn't mind if we deployed Saka as a LB, with a front three of Martinelli - Laca/Auba - Pepe. Martinelli on the left would also help Auba if he starts as a CF. With Pepe on the left and Saka on the right, Auba won't be able to produce meaningful numbers. That front-three wouldn't be balanced enough.

Usually, lack of consistency is a hallmark of young players, especially those below 21/22. I'm not too worried. What does concern me is how he's close to being burdened as our star player at such a young age. Make no mistake, Saka isn't like Cesc or Rooney, who were world-beaters by the time they were 18. Likewise, another young prodigy like Pogba got to play alongside Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Chiellini, Bonucci, Buffon, etc., from a young age. Saka doesn't have any such player to look up to.

Our midfield and attack, both, are lopsided. It was last season and this summer, so far, we haven't addressed it. We've signed Tavares, a LB, and Lokonga—another youngster who appears to be more of a DM. We're about to sign another CB as well in Ben White. It really bothers me that we've signed 5 defenders since Arteta arrived (counting White), 1 goalkeeper, 2 defensive midfielders, and a solitary winger (Willian). That's 8 dsfsnsive signings out of 9 when we're crying out loud for creativity, and fluidity in attack.

But I digress.

It would be unfair on Saka and ESR if, once again, we have to rely on the two after spending big money in the summer.

Saka stil young and can work on his finishing. You guys are making it out like he is f***ing Alex Iwobi. The kid is a class player Saka is in a different class than Iwobi was at that age. Saka is complete. Has one of the best crossing technique in the league, top-notch creativity. Only lacks top shooting technique. I don't agree with you on any of these. The kid is more of a creator than a goal scorer. Anyways .Always usually makes the right decisions on the pitch. His assist record since he broke though is pretty good.


Jeez, you're forming your own theses and getting angry. Go back and read my post again.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:48 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Özim wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
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Neymar gets a goal contribution if he dives in the build-up or cries when someone else scores - which is pretty much every goal the team scores.

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Proven wrong by the stats once again.


The irony is you used the exact same BS that I was referring to.
Twitter meme bollocks.

Crybaby played 8 of his seasons so far for Santos and PSG. Two shite leagues.

Messi has spent his entire career at Barca - Spain, whilst still a lower level than the PL is considerably better than the French league and the utterly useless Brazilian league.
Ronaldo has done it in the PL and Spain and Italy.
Crybaby's time in Spain was characterised as him being the worst of Barca's front 3.
French League is about his level.

Twitter is full of meme's comparing apples with oranges for the idiots to pass off as important.

Ah the old criticize the league he’s played in when all your other arguments fail tactic.


8 years from 12 in the Brazilian league and French league.
Says it all.
No need to go further as we've already covered his other antics.


What’s wrong with the French league, you seem to have a real problem with it.

Ronaldinho, Zidane, Lizarazu, Pires, Henry, Mbappe, Desailly, Kanye, Ginola, Drogba, Essien, Cech all came from the French league and were all top top players, you have this weird thing about it despite it having been proven in being a league that regularly produces star players.

You could argue it produces more than the PL that seems to buy in most of its stars.


And with the exception of Mbappe they all left to play in better leagues.


No they left to go to bigger clubs with more money and a greater chance of success, what was your point?

Like I said it’s produces more talent than the PL.



OK it produces more talent than the PL? Notice you included Ronaldinho as he joined PSG when he was 18. OK. I'll include players in my list who joined the PL at a young age and developed there.

Shearer
Rooney
Gerrard
Lampard
Vieira
Keane
Terry
Ferdinand
De Bruyne
Kane
Beckham
Sol Campbell
van Persie
Fabregas
Wright
Adams
Owen
Bale
and...
Ronaldo

There are more of course.



There are loads more from France a team who have won the Euros and the World Cup twice.

We can go back and find many more than those on the PL that has largely bought talent.

Also De Bruyne failed in England first time.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:08 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Makes no sense to talk down Neymar's ability because he plays in the French League whilst we're still shopping for players there. We've just signed two players nobody has ever heard of from the Portuguese and Belgium leagues! Those are far below Ligue 1 so what does that say about us?

We signed Gabriel, Pepe and Lacazette from Ligue 1. If it's obviously shit, then what are we doing signing players from that league and others?


Because the good players leave lesser leagues to go to better ones.
Even the average ones leave and then get found out in better leagues.


True to an extent. The Premier League hasn't been respected for years, which is why a lot of Prem players get snubbed for the Balon d' Or awards. Bergkamp and Henry had that problem because they flopped in Italy and flourished here when Serie A was the best league in the football.


Yeah. European football authorities are jealous of England. Always have been ever since our clubs decided to take European competition seriously and started to dominate it. They had to ban the whole country because of Liverpool fans.
It's why referees cheat relentlessly for clubs like Barcelona when they play English teams too.

They can whine all they like, the PL is the strongest and best League by far.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:21 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Makes no sense to talk down Neymar's ability because he plays in the French League whilst we're still shopping for players there. We've just signed two players nobody has ever heard of from the Portuguese and Belgium leagues! Those are far below Ligue 1 so what does that say about us?

We signed Gabriel, Pepe and Lacazette from Ligue 1. If it's obviously shit, then what are we doing signing players from that league and others?


Because the good players leave lesser leagues to go to better ones.
Even the average ones leave and then get found out in better leagues.


True to an extent. The Premier League hasn't been respected for years, which is why a lot of Prem players get snubbed for the Balon d' Or awards. Bergkamp and Henry had that problem because they flopped in Italy and flourished here when Serie A was the best league in the football.


Yeah. European football authorities are jealous of England. Always have been ever since our clubs decided to take European competition seriously and started to dominate it. They had to ban the whole country because of Liverpool fans.
It's why referees cheat relentlessly for clubs like Barcelona when they play English teams too.

They can whine all they like, the PL is the strongest and best League by far.


Yup that’s right, best league and yet have only won the CL a handful of times, whereas the Spanish league for example has won it countless times.

Pretty biased viewpoint.

There’s only one reason for the success of the CL, money, TV money to be more specific and then of course Billionaires.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:26 pm

Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Makes no sense to talk down Neymar's ability because he plays in the French League whilst we're still shopping for players there. We've just signed two players nobody has ever heard of from the Portuguese and Belgium leagues! Those are far below Ligue 1 so what does that say about us?

We signed Gabriel, Pepe and Lacazette from Ligue 1. If it's obviously shit, then what are we doing signing players from that league and others?


Because the good players leave lesser leagues to go to better ones.
Even the average ones leave and then get found out in better leagues.


True to an extent. The Premier League hasn't been respected for years, which is why a lot of Prem players get snubbed for the Balon d' Or awards. Bergkamp and Henry had that problem because they flopped in Italy and flourished here when Serie A was the best league in the football.


Yeah. European football authorities are jealous of England. Always have been ever since our clubs decided to take European competition seriously and started to dominate it. They had to ban the whole country because of Liverpool fans.
It's why referees cheat relentlessly for clubs like Barcelona when they play English teams too.

They can whine all they like, the PL is the strongest and best League by far.


Yup that’s right, best league and yet have only won the CL a handful of times, whereas the Spanish league for example has won it countless times.

Pretty biased viewpoint.

There’s only one reason for the success of the CL, money, TV money to be more specific and then of course Billionaires.


The other European leagues have always had a few good teams with the vast majority of their leagues made up of utter shite.
RM and Barca get a buy to the CL every year. It's no achievement for them to get there at all.

PL is not just the best league it is the best by a massive margin.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:31 pm

Just spewing ignorance at the moment. I'm stepping out of this one.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:41 pm

jayramfootball wrote:The other European leagues have always had a few good teams with the vast majority of their leagues made up of utter shite.
RM and Barca get a buy to the CL every year. It's no achievement for them to get there at all.

PL is not just the best league it is the best by a massive margin.


............. you mean like Utd and Arsenal used to?

The only thing you have going for you is that what used to be a two team league is now City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Utd.

But why did that happen? ........... billionaire takeovers, that's it.

Just because Chelsea and City were nobodies but then got oil money doesn't mean the likes of Brighton or Burnley are respected names in La Liga.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:41 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Just spewing ignorance at the moment. I'm stepping out of this one.


Ignorance to say the PL is the best league in the world?
Don't think so fella - it's just reality.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:48 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:The other European leagues have always had a few good teams with the vast majority of their leagues made up of utter shite.
RM and Barca get a buy to the CL every year. It's no achievement for them to get there at all.

PL is not just the best league it is the best by a massive margin.


............. you mean like Utd and Arsenal used to?

The only thing you have going for you is that what used to be a two team league is now City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Utd.

But why did that happen? ........... billionaire takeovers, that's it.

Just because Chelsea and City were nobodies but then got oil money doesn't mean the likes of Brighton or Burnley are respected names in La Liga.


...and Leicester...and other teams , including us, have a realistic chance of breaking into the top 4 and winning the league within a reasonable time frame.
Regardless of whether La Liga respects the likes of Brighton, the simple fact is that matches between the worst and the best teams in the PL are more competitive than similar clashes in Spain, France, Germany, even Italy.

That is why the PL is the best and toughest in the world.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:01 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:The other European leagues have always had a few good teams with the vast majority of their leagues made up of utter shite.
RM and Barca get a buy to the CL every year. It's no achievement for them to get there at all.

PL is not just the best league it is the best by a massive margin.


............. you mean like Utd and Arsenal used to?

The only thing you have going for you is that what used to be a two team league is now City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Utd.

But why did that happen? ........... billionaire takeovers, that's it.

Just because Chelsea and City were nobodies but then got oil money doesn't mean the likes of Brighton or Burnley are respected names in La Liga.


That's also the funny part because most would say it's the billionaire owners that have ruined football.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Ach » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:41 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Just spewing ignorance at the moment. I'm stepping out of this one.

At the moment? Lol
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby Phil71 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:46 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Just spewing ignorance at the moment. I'm stepping out of this one.


Ignorance to say the PL is the best league in the world?
Don't think so fella - it's just reality.


Of course you're quite right.

The most competitive by a mile.
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Re: Mikel Arteta, First-Team Manager

Postby swipe right » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:25 pm

Phil71 wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Just spewing ignorance at the moment. I'm stepping out of this one.


Ignorance to say the PL is the best league in the world?
Don't think so fella - it's just reality.


Of course you're quite right.

The most competitive by a mile.

Let’s see them English trophies Phil. Nothing since 1966.
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