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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:26 am

SchlandGooner wrote:People spreading Fake News here once more.

From Whoscored PL stats

Assists:
KDB 1712min / 9assists -> 190.22
Ramsey 1199min / 6assists -> 199.83
Özil 1282min / 5assists -> 256.4
Dele 1571min / 6assists -> 261.83
Hazard 1117min / 2assists -> 558.5

Goals:
Hazard 1117min / 5goals -> 223.4
KDB 1712min / 6goals -> 285.33
Özil 1282min / 4goals -> 320.5
Dele 1571min / 4goals -> 392.75
Ramsey 1199min / 3goals -> 399.66

Defensive stats from Ramsey also not too shaby but have to go now can post it tomorrow or you guys simple have a look by your own before talking bollocks once again..


Good old selective statistics from SG as usual .... I'll just take the complete League numbers (everyone plays the same opposition in the EPL) for an unbiased comparison ...

Ramsey over the last 3 years - Minutes Played - Goals - Assists

2017/2018 Arsenal EPL 14(1) 1199 3 6
2016/2017 Arsenal EPL 13(10) 1231 1 4
2015/2016 Arsenal EPL 29(2) 2624 5 4


So in three years 9 goals and 14 assists ...... nothing FAKE about that ... how does that compare with top quality players?

KDB last three years 19 goals and 36 assists .... Box-to-box Midfield
Dele last three years 32 goals and 22 assists .... Attacking Midfield
Ozil last three years 18 goals and 33 assists .... Creative Midfield
Coutinho last three years 28 goals and 18 assists .... Box-to-box Midfield

Make of that what you will .... but the numbers are real ..... http://www.whoscored.com

and whatever the SG numbers say ... Ramsey can't defend for shite ... my garden gate has more positional awareness ......
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Santi » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:07 am

can't wait til both wenger and ramsey f**k off tbh, sooner the better in both cases.

then we can go back to being a real club with real midfielders and a real chance at winning something more than the fa cup.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Schlandi » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:22 am

EliteKiller wrote:
SchlandGooner wrote:People spreading Fake News here once more.

From Whoscored PL stats

Assists:
KDB 1712min / 9assists -> 190.22
Ramsey 1199min / 6assists -> 199.83
Özil 1282min / 5assists -> 256.4
Dele 1571min / 6assists -> 261.83
Hazard 1117min / 2assists -> 558.5

Goals:
Hazard 1117min / 5goals -> 223.4
KDB 1712min / 6goals -> 285.33
Özil 1282min / 4goals -> 320.5
Dele 1571min / 4goals -> 392.75
Ramsey 1199min / 3goals -> 399.66

Defensive stats from Ramsey also not too shaby but have to go now can post it tomorrow or you guys simple have a look by your own before talking bollocks once again..


Good old selective statistics from SG as usual .... I'll just take the complete League numbers (everyone plays the same opposition in the EPL) for an unbiased comparison ...

Ramsey over the last 3 years - Minutes Played - Goals - Assists

2017/2018 Arsenal EPL 14(1) 1199 3 6
2016/2017 Arsenal EPL 13(10) 1231 1 4
2015/2016 Arsenal EPL 29(2) 2624 5 4


So in three years 9 goals and 14 assists ...... nothing FAKE about that ... how does that compare with top quality players?

KDB last three years 19 goals and 36 assists .... Box-to-box Midfield
Dele last three years 32 goals and 22 assists .... Attacking Midfield
Ozil last three years 18 goals and 33 assists .... Creative Midfield
Coutinho last three years 28 goals and 18 assists .... Box-to-box Midfield

Make of that what you will .... but the numbers are real ..... http://www.whoscored.com

and whatever the SG numbers say ... Ramsey can't defend for shite ... my garden gate has more positional awareness ......


Unbiased :dizzy:
Even your "everyone plays the same opposition in the EPL" isn't legit if Ramsey missed at the very least 9 matches in two of the three seasons you mentioned..

Talking about selective stats over the three years..minutes played

Özil 7267min
Dele 7095min
KDB 6599min
Coutinho 5274min
Ramsey 5049min

Not even starting to talk about the roles of the players won't waste my time here.
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:27 am

SchlandGooner wrote:Unbiased :dizzy:
Even your "everyone plays the same opposition in the EPL" isn't legit if Ramsey missed at the very least 9 matches in two of the three seasons you mentioned..

Talking about selective stats over the three years..minutes played

Özil 7267min
Dele 7095min
KDB 6599min
Coutinho 5274min
Ramsey 5049min

Not even starting to talk about the roles of the players won't waste my time here.


You miss the point (as usual) a player is only as good as the amount of time he plays in a season .... the very fact that we have a whole bunch of midfield players who can't manage 50% of our games a season is a huge problem .... Ramsey is a case in point .... In ten years at Arsenal he's managed just 312 appearances, compare that to Ronaldo 469 or Messi 511 and even forgetting their skill level Ramsey's already 40% behind just on turning up .....

When the season ends the team with the most points wins ... just because Ramsey failed to show for 25 games in three years doesn't change a feckin' thing .... last year we still missed out on top four .... in fact you could say it's precisely because our midfield are all such 'glass legs' that we fail ....

BEING OUT INJURED ALL THE TIME is not the measure of a great player .... it's a feckin' weakness .... what bit about that don't you understand?
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:32 am

Helping out my man, EliteKiller here, goals and assists per 90 minutes for each of these over the last 3 years, using Schland's minutes
KDB 0.259 goals and 0.49 assists per 90 minutes
Dele Alli 0.40 goals and 0.28 assists per 90 minutes
Ozil 0.22 goals and 0.41 assists per 90 minutes
Coutinho 0.477 goals and 0.31 assists per 90 minutes
Ramsey 0.16 goals and 0.25 assists per 90 minutes (Lowest on both)
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby mel4 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:33 am

So SG, Coutinho in just over 200 minutes (more than Ramsey) has contributed to 48 goals while Ramsey has a paltry 23?

Come back with they are not same players or something else! Cos really Ramsey is shite!


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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Schlandi » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:56 am

GoonerAlexandre wrote:Helping out my man, EliteKiller here, goals and assists per 90 minutes for each of these over the last 3 years, using Schland's minutes
KDB 0.259 goals and 0.49 assists per 90 minutes
Dele Alli 0.40 goals and 0.28 assists per 90 minutes
Ozil 0.22 goals and 0.41 assists per 90 minutes
Coutinho 0.477 goals and 0.31 assists per 90 minutes
Ramsey 0.16 goals and 0.25 assists per 90 minutes (Lowest on both)


Cazorla 1911min 2goals 5assists in the last three seasons
0.094 goals and 0.235 assists per 90min. Lowest on both.
Ramsey without a doubt better as Cazorla.

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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Sims » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:51 am

Plonk him RW when he’s back
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Santi » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:16 am

SchlandGooner wrote:
GoonerAlexandre wrote:Helping out my man, EliteKiller here, goals and assists per 90 minutes for each of these over the last 3 years, using Schland's minutes
KDB 0.259 goals and 0.49 assists per 90 minutes
Dele Alli 0.40 goals and 0.28 assists per 90 minutes
Ozil 0.22 goals and 0.41 assists per 90 minutes
Coutinho 0.477 goals and 0.31 assists per 90 minutes
Ramsey 0.16 goals and 0.25 assists per 90 minutes (Lowest on both)


Cazorla 1911min 2goals 5assists in the last three seasons
0.094 goals and 0.235 assists per 90min. Lowest on both.
Ramsey without a doubt better as Cazorla.

#Simpletons



Irrefutable proof that stats are shit ;)


Btw 14/15 Cazorla 7 goals 11 assists but guess you are using this season instead to make your point ;)
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Zedie » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:45 pm

mel4 wrote:So SG, Coutinho in just over 200 minutes (more than Ramsey) has contributed to 48 goals while Ramsey has a paltry 23?

Come back with they are not same players or something else! Cos really Ramsey is shite!


They play completely different positions ffs. Or you could ring fence them both in midfield like you're doing. Should also add coquelin and Lucas lieva in there with them smh
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:04 pm

Zedie wrote:
mel4 wrote:So SG, Coutinho in just over 200 minutes (more than Ramsey) has contributed to 48 goals while Ramsey has a paltry 23?

Come back with they are not same players or something else! Cos really Ramsey is shite!


They play completely different positions ffs. Or you could ring fence them both in midfield like you're doing. Should also add coquelin and Lucas lieva in there with them smh


Seriously?

What position do you think Ramsey plays? his Arsenal profile says box-box midfielder .... is that shorthand for a player who can't defend and who can't score? .... his stats show 345 games 52 goals, 47 assists .... those are the numbers you'd expect from a DM and we all know Aaron is no great defender ....

He's an enigma, lots of talent but not much end product .... see Theo, Jack, Xhaka, Elneny who are all much the same .....
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:14 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
Zedie wrote:
mel4 wrote:So SG, Coutinho in just over 200 minutes (more than Ramsey) has contributed to 48 goals while Ramsey has a paltry 23?

Come back with they are not same players or something else! Cos really Ramsey is shite!


They play completely different positions ffs. Or you could ring fence them both in midfield like you're doing. Should also add coquelin and Lucas lieva in there with them smh


Seriously?

What position do you think Ramsey plays? his Arsenal profile says box-box midfielder .... is that shorthand for a player who can't defend and who can't score? .... his stats show 345 games 52 goals, 47 assists .... those are the numbers you'd expect from a DM and we all know Aaron is no great defender ....

He's an enigma, lots of talent but not much end product .... see Theo, Jack, Xhaka, Elneny who are all much the same .....


Not that bad stats for a central midfielder tbf, his stats are ok, his problem is more positional awareness, discipline, to many touches etc...
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:18 pm

EliteKiller is right, Ramsey's supposed great quality is that he makes runs into the box and scores goals, he's hardly some creative demon, or some master of long range passing from deep. Him and Dele Alli are the same in this respect, but Alli gets goals
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:27 pm

He'd be no bad player in a great side - if you played a midfield four he would be fine as the 'central' player moving the ball from defense to attack ... but the modern game requires more specialist roles ... DM's who sit in front of the defense like Fernandinho, Kante, Wanyama or CM's creative players Ozil, Silva, Pogba, Eriksen or AM's attacking players Dele, De Bruyne, Hazard, Coutinho .....

There's not much room for a player who is described as 'central' or 'box-to-box' what does that even mean? .... you need to be more than that to be a top class midfield player .....
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Re: Aaron Ramsey (8)

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:32 pm

GoonerAlexandre wrote:EliteKiller is right, Ramsey's supposed great quality is that he makes runs into the box and scores goals, he's hardly some creative demon, or some master of long range passing from deep. Him and Dele Alli are the same in this respect, but Alli gets goals


Ramsey is a good all round player, can chip in with a goal, an assist, has an engine, can defend when he wants to he has proven that, he can pass to when he has space, his issues maybe not the best under pressure, takes to many touches and selfishness.

He is a player that at times has produced for us, he isn't some failed Wenger project, he scored two fa cup winners, he has basically only ever been managed by an out dated wenger and at times it shows, I don't think wenger gets the most out of him.
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