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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:10 pm

Dejan wrote:Just because it worked last season, doesnt mean it works now. Teams learn how to setup, in addition to aubas poor form(or laziness if thats what your prefer), its just not working right now. If you look at last match, the only consistent players that were creating were tierney, saka, and 2 pings from luiz. We have a midfield thats truly unique: it doesnt know how to score, but it doesnt know how to assist either.
Also, its not only the feeding to auba which is the problem, its also the feeding from auba to our striker which is a problem, as he never been a really creative wide player

So yes, i believe changing our wingers is one of the first thing we have to do to add creativity.

Also, we cannot afford to play auba and laca every single match because they will run into the ground.

The following team imo has much more creativity than we have now, while still being defensively solid

Auba/Lacazette
Saka Willian Pepe
Elneny Partey


(Elneny switch with either xhaka or ceballos also possible, but neither 3 are any good tbh)

According to opta we have one of the lowest chance creating sides so far. We just cannot keep going the way we are and hope its magically dissapears

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I would play exactly the same line up as you have, may swap Elneny for Ceballos though for most games.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby themessiah » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:27 pm

Played most of his career on the wing at AC Milan and Saint Ettiene, also played out wide at Dortmund

Auba's hold up play isn't that good he's always better when he starts wide and drifts inside like he did at Dortmund. Problem is he has not drift inside a lot since the contract.

The guy is inverted winger not a striker. The guys played out wide for us , Dortmund & St etienne, why do people compare him to Kane or Lewandowski? Should be compared to the Salahs & Manes

Will get a couple goals off the bench against dundalk anyways.

Dundalk is the prefect game to statpad goals
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Power n Glory » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:57 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
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Marsbar100 wrote:Play him up top for 5-10 games straight, if he can't do well there drop him.

He looks a fish out of water outwide


You have to be really special to not understand this. Can't entertain it.

You just know it's a bias against Auba when people can see that Nketiah has no business playing wide and Willian shouldn't be playing as the false 9 but expect Auba to deliver consistently when playing on the wing.

But ultimately this comes back to the manager and as said on the Arseblog podcast, it's more of worry if Arteta sees Lacazette's performances as the ideal for that central striker role. That idea extends to the front line attackers in general and also the midfield. Too many square pegs in round holes.

I don't understand this. For his entire Arsenal career Auba has spent most of his time out wide and has been our leading scorer and Premier League Golden Boot contender. How all of a sudden is playing wide an issue for him?

What am I missing? How did he manage to become the fastest player to 50 Arsenal goals if playing out wide was a problem???


Since when was Aubameyang a regular down the right and scored goals for Arsenal? He has 5 goals from the right wing. The majority of his goals come from central (40) and then 28 from the left.

I can't understand how you don't know what type of player he is. He's a service striker. He can't dribble anf he's not the best creative passer. Play him as a wide forward and you get the same issues as we had with Walcott, Podolski or even when we played Nketiah wide. Wide forwards work better when we're on the counter, when we have space behind and when teams press high up the pitch. It doesn't work against low block teams. As Dejan, it's also not going to work if we don't have enough creative players on the team.

Lacazette doesn't work as a false 9 so he's not pulling players out of position to make space for either player on the flank. It's disjointed. When the ball goes wide against low block teams the winger is often surrounded by 3 or 4 players. If a dribbler like Pepe is struggling to beat all 3 or 4 players to get to the box, what do you expect Aubameyang to do? The only strategy Mikeal seemed to have against Leicester was to play through our wing backs over the top. With the exception of Saka, there wasn't a player out there willing to play between the lines. Arteta had our 3 CM's staying deep and not one of them broke forward. It was a shambles.

Amazes me that you complain about Arteta's tactics but can't see one of the most obvious changes he should make. He needs to maximise the strengths of the players he has available and this isn't it.

Mate, why are you talking about wide right?? I said wide. And you have not come up with a reason why the tactic has worked thus far for Auba playing wide at Arsenal, he was scoring loads of goals - this includes the the player himself has. How did he manage to score so many goals if he is so ineffective/has so many limitations playing there ???


Because he played on the right against Leicester. Did you watch the game because it's one that you either needed a stream or had to pay for.

I've said in that post why it's worked in the past. You may need to re-read my post. It's fight there in the 2nd paragraph.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:17 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Play him up top for 5-10 games straight, if he can't do well there drop him.

He looks a fish out of water outwide


You have to be really special to not understand this. Can't entertain it.

You just know it's a bias against Auba when people can see that Nketiah has no business playing wide and Willian shouldn't be playing as the false 9 but expect Auba to deliver consistently when playing on the wing.

But ultimately this comes back to the manager and as said on the Arseblog podcast, it's more of worry if Arteta sees Lacazette's performances as the ideal for that central striker role. That idea extends to the front line attackers in general and also the midfield. Too many square pegs in round holes.

I don't understand this. For his entire Arsenal career Auba has spent most of his time out wide and has been our leading scorer and Premier League Golden Boot contender. How all of a sudden is playing wide an issue for him?

What am I missing? How did he manage to become the fastest player to 50 Arsenal goals if playing out wide was a problem???


Since when was Aubameyang a regular down the right and scored goals for Arsenal? He has 5 goals from the right wing. The majority of his goals come from central (40) and then 28 from the left.

I can't understand how you don't know what type of player he is. He's a service striker. He can't dribble anf he's not the best creative passer. Play him as a wide forward and you get the same issues as we had with Walcott, Podolski or even when we played Nketiah wide. Wide forwards work better when we're on the counter, when we have space behind and when teams press high up the pitch. It doesn't work against low block teams. As Dejan, it's also not going to work if we don't have enough creative players on the team.

Lacazette doesn't work as a false 9 so he's not pulling players out of position to make space for either player on the flank. It's disjointed. When the ball goes wide against low block teams the winger is often surrounded by 3 or 4 players. If a dribbler like Pepe is struggling to beat all 3 or 4 players to get to the box, what do you expect Aubameyang to do? The only strategy Mikeal seemed to have against Leicester was to play through our wing backs over the top. With the exception of Saka, there wasn't a player out there willing to play between the lines. Arteta had our 3 CM's staying deep and not one of them broke forward. It was a shambles.

Amazes me that you complain about Arteta's tactics but can't see one of the most obvious changes he should make. He needs to maximise the strengths of the players he has available and this isn't it.

Mate, why are you talking about wide right?? I said wide. And you have not come up with a reason why the tactic has worked thus far for Auba playing wide at Arsenal, he was scoring loads of goals - this includes the the player himself has. How did he manage to score so many goals if he is so ineffective/has so many limitations playing there ???


Because he played on the right against Leicester. Did you watch the game because it's one that you either needed a stream or had to pay for.

I've said in that post why it's worked in the past. You may need to re-read my post. It's fight there in the 2nd paragraph.


He played right for a portion of the game.
He's played left for the vast majority of the 6 games he's played in the league this season.

Frankly it doesn't matter where he played... He's been shit.

Needs to improve and quickly.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Zenith » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:39 am

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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:21 am

Zenith wrote:


JHC, sounds like he is managing by the seat of his pants - absolutely no forward planning.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Özim » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:24 am

Feeling bad doesn’t fix the issue, shouldn’t have made that decision in the 1st place.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:27 am

Özim wrote:Feeling bad doesn’t fix the issue, shouldn’t have made that decision in the 1st place.


Arteta needs to reevaluate his approach - he's layering on mistake after mistake and it's snowballing.
Should take a step back and stop making rash decisions.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Özim » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:59 am

Spot on, at the moment it’s a bit of a car crash, he’s totally lost his way.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:26 pm

Here's Auba pre and post his contract. Huge drop off in performance

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..and here is how he's tacks up this year against others...

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He needs a big game tomorrow!
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Santi » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:01 pm

Can’t believe Arteta is still playing him LW, look how bad he’s making him play!
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby alexafc12 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:37 pm

Horrific today. Shattered after 75 minutes and all but gave up tracking back at some points.

Praying the goal gives him confidence.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby VCC » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:56 pm

Good pen and under pressure.
Hopefully gets the monkey off his back
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Power n Glory » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:00 pm

Very good penalty under pressure. Should have scored in open play with w couple of chances and should have had an assist with that flick on to Willian.

But again, the front three balance needs addressing.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:07 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Very good penalty under pressure. Should have scored in open play with w couple of chances and should have had an assist with that flick on to Willian.

But again, the front three balance needs addressing.


Agreed.

I think he needs to float inside more to support Laca who's left too isolated, Auba needs to let Saka overlap more and get in the box.

Our team performance was better than the score line, we need more from our front 3, if they can start causing havoc like Liverpool's front 3 we'd be top 4 with this midfield and defense.
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