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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Marsbar100 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:47 pm

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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:04 pm

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jayramfootball wrote:It's 2.5 years because that is how long Auba has been in the PL. Obviously.
You made a claim that RVP in his "absolute prime" never matched matched Auba's 2.5 year record.
You were incorrect.
It is laughable that for RVP's "absolute prime" you would exclude his top goal scoring year for Utd and replace it with a year in which he ruptured his ligaments!
RVP's prime 2.5 years is better than Auba's 2.5 tenure here in the PL, which is what the entire debate was about.


Stfu, I started off the critera and said "Last 3 seasons at AFC" that was the prime years I was discussing because RVP scored 30 goals in his final season here, I was never talking about other clubs.

You can't take a 12 year Prem career and pick RVP's best 2.5 years at any club and count tha against Auba without allowing for his whole football career you trash can.

So when I made the critera, who are you to change it then tell me what I mean't?

Doesn't work that way, so we go from scratch.

Forget 2.5 years because you've blown that, no more "only Arsenal" ........ Auba has scored more goals than RVP at their peak.

Refute it.................


Forget 2.5 years? That was the whole point because that is how long Auba has been in the PL and we have now comprehensively concluded that Aubas 2.5 years does not measure up to RVP's 2.5 years of his absolute prime. Not even close.

The debate is over.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:17 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Forget 2.5 years? That was the whole point because that is how long Auba has been in the PL and we have now comprehensively concluded that Aubas 2.5 years does not measure up to RVP's 2.5 years of his absolute prime. Not even close.

The debate is over.


No, this was the point.

DiamondGooner wrote:Last 3 seasons AFC


I made the point, so don't tell me what the point was, the 2.5 years as is clearly shown was to measure time at Arsenal, its been quoted so stop making a fool of yourself.

So your refusing to compare Auba's peak to RVP's, hold that L.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:31 pm

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jayramfootball wrote:Forget 2.5 years? That was the whole point because that is how long Auba has been in the PL and we have now comprehensively concluded that Aubas 2.5 years does not measure up to RVP's 2.5 years of his absolute prime. Not even close.

The debate is over.


No, this was the point.

DiamondGooner wrote:Last 3 seasons AFC


I made the point, so don't tell me what the point was, the 2.5 years as is clearly shown was to measure time at Arsenal, its been quoted so stop making a fool of yourself.

So your refusing to compare Auba's peak to RVP's, hold that L.


This was you pages ago
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It's gone way beyond that now.
It's just getting embarrassing for you. You are moving to one argument after another having lost the only one we were debating.
Let it go...
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Marsbar100 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:51 pm

For what it's worth van persie was better, without injuries he could have been up there with Henry and bergkamp

Auba is one hell of a player though
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:01 pm

Done.

JayRam has been ground to dust.

The numbers don't lie.

Auba has scored more league goals than RVP in their repsective peak.

.......... and this is the player Jay says is not good enough, joke of a poster.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Angelito » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:03 pm

This is silly.

van Persie is widely recognized as our best player post-Highbury.

In fact, the top-4 more or less picks itself with van Persie, Alexis, Cesc, and Ozil. The fifth spot is up for grabs with contenders that include Sagna, Cazorla, and Auba.

What's intriguing is how the three acts of Wenger's Arsenal arc have these epic duos.

Act I: DB10, Henry
Act II: van Persie, Cesc
Act III: Alexis, Ozil
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:06 pm

Its not because who was the better player isn't the debate.

In fact the first thing I said was "I'm not saying Auba is a better all round player" it was simply that Jay was slating Auba's goal scoring record and HE compared RVP.

I put up the numbers to expose him and he had a meltdown and scrambled to change the narrative over and over hoping the point would get lost, I just held him by his little toe so to speak.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby hs6bx » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:34 pm

I guess the only thing that matters is whether we should keep Aubameyang since RvP retired long ago. It doesn’t really matter who is better - I’ve witnessed people argue the Messi v Ronaldo case for ages, and one person will pull stats, another will pull trophies. The fact is you can focus on whatever you want but different people will focus on different things that they like / dislike in order argue the point. No one grounded firmly in their belief is going to have their mind changed... but Equally no one can be correct / incorrect if it’s just an opinion.

For what it’s worth I’m fully on board with giving Auba a new contract. It’s very difficult to replace a 20-25 goals a season man without paying through the nose... and let’s face it, what top striker wants to come play in the Europa league? Forget the age for a second... is he likely to grab another 20 odd goals a season next year? Well if he stays fit I’d say yes. Remember that it only takes one day for a player to go from 31 to 32. They don’t become drastically worse overnight - the decline is slow. The reality is that he bangs in the goals and will probably get even more In a better side... which hopefully we will be next season!
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Phil71 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:35 pm

hs6bx wrote:I guess the only thing that matters is whether we should keep Aubameyang since RvP retired long ago. It doesn’t really matter who is better - I’ve witnessed people argue the Messi v Ronaldo case for ages, and one person will pull stats, another will pull trophies. The fact is you can focus on whatever you want but different people will focus on different things that they like / dislike in order argue the point. No one grounded firmly in their belief is going to have their mind changed... but Equally no one can be correct / incorrect if it’s just an opinion.

For what it’s worth I’m fully on board with giving Auba a new contract. It’s very difficult to replace a 20-25 goals a season man without paying through the nose... and let’s face it, what top striker wants to come play in the Europa league? Forget the age for a second... is he likely to grab another 20 odd goals a season next year? Well if he stays fit I’d say yes. Remember that it only takes one day for a player to go from 31 to 32. They don’t become drastically worse overnight - the decline is slow. The reality is that he bangs in the goals and will probably get even more In a better side... which hopefully we will be next season!


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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:46 pm

hs6bx wrote:I guess the only thing that matters is whether we should keep Aubameyang since RvP retired long ago. It doesn’t really matter who is better - I’ve witnessed people argue the Messi v Ronaldo case for ages, and one person will pull stats, another will pull trophies. The fact is you can focus on whatever you want but different people will focus on different things that they like / dislike in order argue the point. No one grounded firmly in their belief is going to have their mind changed... but Equally no one can be correct / incorrect if it’s just an opinion.

For what it’s worth I’m fully on board with giving Auba a new contract. It’s very difficult to replace a 20-25 goals a season man without paying through the nose... and let’s face it, what top striker wants to come play in the Europa league? Forget the age for a second... is he likely to grab another 20 odd goals a season next year? Well if he stays fit I’d say yes. Remember that it only takes one day for a player to go from 31 to 32. They don’t become drastically worse overnight - the decline is slow. The reality is that he bangs in the goals and will probably get even more In a better side... which hopefully we will be next season!


Largely agree.
The only reason RVP was brought up is because he cost 29m at his peak and it puts into perspective the folly of losing c30m in transfer fees and paying an extra 39m in wages for a player who has failed to even get close to RVP's peak in the PL. There are many other players that could equally be used as an example.

The reason I think Auba should be sold is not because I think he is a bad player. On the contrary, I think he is a very good goalscorer, but has little else (nothing) to his game. 22 goals in consecutive seasons is very good but not exceptional. With nothing else to offer, the money could be spent far more wisely on building our long mid term future.

No one as yet has come with any counter argument as to why Auba should be kept. It's just about the 22 goals in a year. But, we're not going to lose the goals if we lose Auba.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby ag6789 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:59 pm

I will put Sanchez, Cazorla and Ozil ahead of RVP in terms of achievements and effectiveness for Arsenal.
RVP had one stellar season for us and spend almost 50% of his tenure (7 yrs) on treatment table. When he hit red hot form he ditched us for greener pastures.
Similar scenario w/ Cesc and Nasri.
Don't have much soft corner for them
Rather will place Rosicky and Ramsey ahead of him. Inspite of horrendous injuries toughened it out for us. Ramsey, the diminished player he was, ( criminal Shawcross tackle), did give us plenty of joy by scoring crucial goals.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby themessiah » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:12 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
hs6bx wrote:I guess the only thing that matters is whether we should keep Aubameyang since RvP retired long ago. It doesn’t really matter who is better - I’ve witnessed people argue the Messi v Ronaldo case for ages, and one person will pull stats, another will pull trophies. The fact is you can focus on whatever you want but different people will focus on different things that they like / dislike in order argue the point. No one grounded firmly in their belief is going to have their mind changed... but Equally no one can be correct / incorrect if it’s just an opinion.

For what it’s worth I’m fully on board with giving Auba a new contract. It’s very difficult to replace a 20-25 goals a season man without paying through the nose... and let’s face it, what top striker wants to come play in the Europa league? Forget the age for a second... is he likely to grab another 20 odd goals a season next year? Well if he stays fit I’d say yes. Remember that it only takes one day for a player to go from 31 to 32. They don’t become drastically worse overnight - the decline is slow. The reality is that he bangs in the goals and will probably get even more In a better side... which hopefully we will be next season!


Largely agree.
The only reason RVP was brought up is because he cost 29m at his peak and it puts into perspective the folly of losing c30m in transfer fees and paying an extra 39m in wages for a player who has failed to even get close to RVP's peak in the PL. There are many other players that could equally be used as an example.

The reason I think Auba should be sold is not because I think he is a bad player. On the contrary, I think he is a very good goalscorer, but has little else (nothing) to his game. 22 goals in consecutive seasons is very good but not exceptional. With nothing else to offer, the money could be spent far more wisely on building our long mid term future.

No one as yet has come with any counter argument as to why Auba should be kept. It's just about the 22 goals in a year. But, we're not going to lose the goals if we lose Auba.





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Could see him at Inter maybe if Lautaro moves barca but we have to get a fee. .

Even though Lautaro has been shocking for inter since the restart Lautaro is important here. Whoever of Inter and Barca doesn’t end up with him will go for Auba.

Lukaku Auba would be a very good partnership. With ALexis sanchez as back for both.

If we don’t make Europa and Auba doesn’t want to sign a new deal,we have to sell. The problem is who do we buy?.

As crazy as it sounds i would have said give Martinelli a go but Martinelli is out till 2021 ffs.

I know he has had a poor season but Maybe get Jovic on a loan from Madrid? After that, maybe invest in a creative CM and a CB.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby starmandb » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:18 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Angelito wrote:^ Auba prefers to play centrally. But he's willing to play wherever Arteta wants him to.

Question is, is he better from a wider starting position than he is centrally ? Its all well and good him preferring to be central but is he better from the other position ? I can't remember him being any good for us centrally.

Aubameyang has scored 40 goals in 5308 mins at centre forward
A goal every 132 mins
Better than owen shearer van Persie and suarez among others
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby themessiah » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:29 pm

starmandb wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Angelito wrote:^ Auba prefers to play centrally. But he's willing to play wherever Arteta wants him to.

Question is, is he better from a wider starting position than he is centrally ? Its all well and good him preferring to be central but is he better from the other position ? I can't remember him being any good for us centrally.

Aubameyang has scored 40 goals in 5308 mins at centre forward
A goal every 132 mins
Better than owen shearer van Persie and suarez among others




Auba himself has said he does not like playing at center forward because defenders target him but when he comes from the wing, he can run at them. He's wasted playing with back to goal. He's not that kind of player.

People forget that Auba’s greatest quality isn’t just his pace but his timing of runs and POACHING ability which is why he is well suited to wide forward and not the CF role.

RVP is the more complete footballer, and therefore the one better to my personal liking, but AUBA would be the most clinical wide Forward. Auba never be the same level as Henry or Van Persie for that matter they had to learn how to be complete strikers and from his time at St Etienne and on to Dortmund he’s never developed that quality to be the complete Striker imo. Very good LW though.
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