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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:35 pm

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greengoonerie wrote:Hes been shit all season

Shit performances.
Shit attitude.
Shit leadership.

Arteta needs to drop him for a few games until auba agrees to play in the middle.

He was utterly disgraceful tonight.


didnt realise auba was picking his position on the pitch.


Having a squad of players who can only apparently play in 50 sqm of the pitch - and you wonder why we are mid-table.


Agree. That is what is so sad about the excuses.

Auba does play exclusively left when he starts left and doesn't play exclusively central when he starts central.
His stats already show it barely makes any difference in which position he starts upfront.
His game has always been about the intelligence and speed to find space - he does that centrally and wide, regardless of where he starts.
Yesterday was another example - often in the middle.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:51 pm

He has no service, he would be fine if we had some quality creative players
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:51 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:He has no service, he would be fine if we had some quality creative players


Who is he missing from last season in terms of creating?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Ach » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:54 pm

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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:55 pm

Ach wrote:Emery


Lol, lame.
Arteta managed most of our games last season.
What exactly is different for Auba now?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Ach » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:56 pm

People do go in and out of form. It happens.

Auba is least of our problems
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:16 pm

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Ach wrote:No question now.

Has to be in the middle.

I don't get your arguments ! He has been leading scorer for us playing in that same position, why now is it the reason he can't score for toffee ?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:25 pm

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alexafc12 wrote:Auba hasn't registered a shot on target from open play since the game against Sheff United.

WOW


2017, 2018, 2019 - xG 0.71, shots per game 2.98
2020 - xG 0.17, shots per game 1.26

What people may not realise is that he has been getting steadily worse since he joined. His productivity was best in 2017 (half season), slipped a bit in 2018, slipped again in 2019 and has fallen off a cliff this year.

Is it a lack of creativity in the team though? maybe its got worse the more ozil and ramsey have been left out.

It does help to have creative players, is he supposed to turn water into wine

Not a bad shout that. how can you create when you remove your main attacking elements. But he didn't have this problem last season which I am sure we will all agree was one of our worst in 20 years. How funny it would be is his for is directly linked to the omission of Ozil ....
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:42 pm

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Marsbar100 wrote:He has no service, he would be fine if we had some quality creative players


Who is he missing from last season in terms of creating?

Maybe he overachievd with what he had, surely you would be more confident in him to score more if we had ozil and purchsed aouar
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:47 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
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Ach wrote:No question now.

Has to be in the middle.

I don't get your arguments ! He has been leading scorer for us playing in that same position, why now is it the reason he can't score for toffee ?


2018/19 he scored 7 goals from wing in Emery's debut season.

2019/20 he scored 12 goals from the wing.

He hasn't been the leading goal scorer for us playing down the wing every week. Emery kept changing the formations and there would be games where he'd bench Lacazette, play a two striker system or try Aubameyang on the left.

It's a new system under Arteta and it should be obvious by now that Auba is a service striker. If everyone else were flourishing but Auba the only one struggling, I'd say he's the problem. But managers have worked out how to stop us creating down the left and now you see Tierney and Saka as well as Aubameyang struggling to have an impact on games.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:15 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
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Power n Glory wrote:
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Ach wrote:No question now.

Has to be in the middle.

I don't get your arguments ! He has been leading scorer for us playing in that same position, why now is it the reason he can't score for toffee ?


2018/19 he scored 7 goals from wing in Emery's debut season.

2019/20 he scored 12 goals from the wing.

He hasn't been the leading goal scorer for us playing down the wing every week. Emery kept changing the formations and there would be games where he'd bench Lacazette, play a two striker system or try Aubameyang on the left.

It's a new system under Arteta and it should be obvious by now that Auba is a service striker. If everyone else were flourishing but Auba the only one struggling, I'd say he's the problem. But managers have worked out how to stop us creating down the left and now you see Tierney and Saka as well as Aubameyang struggling to have an impact on games.


Your argument is complete nonsense.
His goals from the wing were related to how often he played there. Not because he couldn't score from there.

His goals per game playing on the wing had been slightly HIGHER than his goals per game playing centrally.

The ONLY reason he is not scoring now is because he's been shit so far this year.

The excuses are getting more and more ridiculous.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:38 pm

I'm replying to the below from Hothead who said the following.

He has been leading scorer for us playing in that same position, why now is it the reason he can't score for toffee ?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:46 pm

Power n Glory wrote:I'm replying to the below from Hothead who said the following.

He has been leading scorer for us playing in that same position, why now is it the reason he can't score for toffee ?


Yes but your excuse was way off the mark. You made it sound like he could only score 7 goals and 12 goals in the league because he was playing wide.
The reason he scored that many is because he didn't always play wide, not because he had a problem scoring from that position.

The stats posted several times on this thread already show that Auba scores and assists more when playing wide vs central.

There is absolutely no change from his time under Arteta last year, where he scored from a wide position regularly to this season, where he has been rubbish - other than his own crap form.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Angelito » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:11 pm

Even if you consider the post-RvP years, we've gone from Ozil, Cazorla, Rosicky, Ramsey, and Wilshere to Xhaka, Elneny, and... Willock?

How do you expect us to be creative?

The last two managers/coaches here spent their time alienating Ozil.

Even in the post-Highbury era, we've had an array of world class or top quality players: Sagna, Cesc, van Persie, Nasri, Arshavin, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Monreal, Cazorla, Ozil, Alexis, et al.

Even in 17/18, we had the second best home record and goals scored behind the Centurions, Man City. We made it to the League Cup final. We were narrowly knocked out of the EL SFs by a European giant.

We finished in the top-4 for two decades—a record only Real Madrid tops.

The expectation is top-4, not a league title challenge. Why are we falling apart?

What is going on?

Our star striker can't score anymore. Nobody can create anymore. We lose back to back home games since Starman cares to remember.

We've gone from getting embarrassed by Bayern and Barca, beating them for false hope—to losing to Villa and Leicester at home, to failing to create big chances when that used to be our forte.

A side that used to have 200 creative players doesn't have single such a player today.

What is going on with our recruitment? Signing Thomas and a runner like Willian, and Elneny doing well, should mean Ozil ripping it apart; Auba getting ample chances to shoot.

I don't blame Auba. He scored 52 goals in his first 2.5 seasons and now he can't hit the barn door?

What are we doing?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:27 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:I'm replying to the below from Hothead who said the following.

He has been leading scorer for us playing in that same position, why now is it the reason he can't score for toffee ?


Yes but your excuse was way off the mark. You made it sound like he could only score 7 goals and 12 goals in the league because he was playing wide.
The reason he scored that many is because he didn't always play wide, not because he had a problem scoring from that position.

The stats posted several times on this thread already show that Auba scores and assists more when playing wide vs central.

There is absolutely no change from his time under Arteta last year, where he scored from a wide position regularly to this season, where he has been rubbish - other than his own crap form.


It's not off the mark because those are the numbers and it's false to try and claim he has played this position his entire Arsenal career.

It shouldn't be hard to work out what's going on if you haven't got an agenda. You clearly have one so I'll try not to waste much more time.

What was working last season isn't working now. Aubameyang isn't missing sitters or messing up passes. He just simply isn't involved enough and we're not creating enough chances. The small chances we do create fall to wrong players and on too many occasions it's Auba crossing the ball into the box to create the chance when he should be on the end of them.

If we were playing free flowing football and opening teams up for fun then him playing on the wing isn't a problem. When we haven't got the ball and we're defending most of the game, it's not a major issue either because he'll put a shift in to defend and will be deadly on a counter if he gets the service.

But all this is long. You know the type of player he is. He's not at his best with the ball at his feet. It's similar to Nketiah. What would you say if Arteta played him wide for most games? It would make no sense because he does most of his damage in the box.

It doesn't matter what has happened in the past, today we're seeing Saka, Tierney, Auba, Laca and Willian really struggle. Managers have made note of our left side attack and how to stop it. Arteta has to figure it out and change the system to get the maximum out of what we have. Currently, there are too many attacker underperforming. If Auba were missing the same amount of sitters Lacazette has missed and totally screwing up the link up play, I'd be in agreement with you. But what worked last season doesn't mean it will work now. Time for a change. If it still doesn't keep changing it until something works.

Arguing for Auba to stay wide just because he's scored there before is just plain silly considering our circumstances..No need to be hard headed about it. Henry and RVP used to play on the wings and score from those positions but imagine if Wenger chose to play Henry on the left whilst Franny Jeffers was having stinker after stinker? Or if RVP was forced wide whilst we're persisting with Chamakh? It's ridiculous. The only reason Aubameyang is playing wide in the first place was because we were trying to play both of our top strikers, which was Lacazette at the time. Seeing as Lacazette has fallen off considerably and won't be getting a new contract, it make more sense to prioritise Aubameyang considering we have him a massive contract to score more goals. Not cross the ball in the box for others to fluff.
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