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Postby jayramfootball » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am

aniym wrote:
Ach wrote:Bigger must keep than RVP?


RVP - 8 years at Arsenal, mostly spent in a hospital
PEA - 2.5 years at Arsenal, never injured, 4.5 years at Dortmund, never injured

He's our only hope for a trophy next season. We've missed out on silverware many times because of injuries to key players.


Our only hope for a trophy???
Never heard anything more ridiculous.
We've yet to a win a trophy with him in the team.
As a team, we've scored about the same amount of goals consistently for the last 10 years - i.e. with him or without him.
When Aubamayang is gone another striker will be the main goal scorer and as a team we'll continue to score about the same amount of goals.

It's WAY past time for Auba to be sold. The club simply can not afford these contract hold outs, hoilding the club to ransom. Tell him to eff off.
No player is bigger than the club, especially Aubamayang.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:04 am

It wiill be difficult to get a 30 all comps scorer without cl football.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:37 am

jayramfootball wrote:
aniym wrote:
Ach wrote:Bigger must keep than RVP?


RVP - 8 years at Arsenal, mostly spent in a hospital
PEA - 2.5 years at Arsenal, never injured, 4.5 years at Dortmund, never injured

He's our only hope for a trophy next season. We've missed out on silverware many times because of injuries to key players.


Our only hope for a trophy???
Never heard anything more ridiculous.
We've yet to a win a trophy with him in the team.
As a team, we've scored about the same amount of goals consistently for the last 10 years - i.e. with him or without him.
When Aubamayang is gone another striker will be the main goal scorer and as a team we'll continue to score about the same amount of goals.

It's WAY past time for Auba to be sold. The club simply can not afford these contract hold outs, hoilding the club to ransom. Tell him to eff off.
No player is bigger than the club, especially Aubamayang.

Whilst I don't necessarily agree that we should sell Auba I absolutely do agree with Jay in that whether he stays or goes Arsenal will be the same. We lost Wrighty, we got Bergkamp and Anelka. We lost Anelka we got Henry. We lost Henry we got Adebayor. We lost Adebayor the goals were spread amongst Fabregas, RVP, Arshavin and Bendtner. RVP then took on the mantle and when he left Walcott, Giroud, Podolski and Cazorla got the goals and the rest is history as they say.

So at no point have we been hit by losing our goal scorers in the past. Since Wenger joined, every season until now we have scored:
68, 59, 73, 63, 79, 85, 73, 87, 68 - Moved to the Emirates - 63, 74, 68, 83, 72, 74, 72, 68, 71, 65, 77, 74, 73.

Doing the maths, the 9 seasons with Wenger at Highbury yielded an average of 72.77 league goals per season. Taking our last 9 seasons at the Emirates acknowledging a clear reduction in the quality of the squad we have now compared to then, the average is, remarkably, 71.77 goals :rofll:

Surprised even me how close those numbers are. Bottom line, it doesn't matter if Auba stays or goes.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:28 pm

Why not aim for more goals instead of the same amount.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:29 pm

Well yes but the narrative that without Auba we would somehow be doomed is sensationalist and inaccurate. I wanted to show that historically (since Wenger) we have not been troubled by losing our main striker
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:57 pm

:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

It's not about total goals. It's the cumulative impact of numerous factors over the years that have now resulted in a perfect storm for us.

For the past 10 years, we have needed a top player to bail us out constantly. It was Fabregas and RVP, then it was Alexis and Ozil and now it's Auba. Even in RVP's record season, top 4 came down to the very last day; it could have been Newcastle in CL if we hadn't squeaked past West Brom 3-2.

We've whittled down our midfield to the point where we now have no playmakers in the team. Ozil has 2 assists, and yet Auba is somehow still in the running for Golden Boot.

We're no longer profitable as club; we couldn't buy a top attacker if we wanted to. Next year's front line will be Martinelli, Pepe and Saka at best. All of whom are massively inexperienced, and will face the same issue Auba does; no playmakers in the team.

Auba's the only one who has scored consistently at every team he's been at, and has a fantastic fitness record as well.

Wenger could get away with having a smattering of average-to-decent players alongside 1-2 excellent players for many years, because there were only 3-4 teams in the league worth a damn, meaning we always had a strong chance of CL football.

Guardiola
Klopp
Mourinho/Pochettino
Ancelotti

At no point was Arsenal ever competing against all 4 of these top managers and making CL. He could barely make it when City entered the picture.

What's Arteta, who has effectively zero experience, going to do when it's all those guys plus whoever Newcastle's new owners give £200m to splash?

You're looking at Arsenal's historical ~70-80 goals per season without taking into account that the only competition back in those days were Mourinho and SAF.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:10 pm

^

I think we got burnt keeping Sanchez and it was a mistake. I think the difference is Sanchez played 4 summers in a row for Chile and was fatigued, he also started being a devicive figure laughing in the stands at us getting smashed springs to mind.

Pea hasn't burnt himself out like sanchez and hasn't played up yet .

It could backfire but I say keep, we have no cl football, we aren't flush with money so getting a good replacement will not be easy,.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:04 pm

aniym wrote::dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

It's not about total goals. It's the cumulative impact of numerous factors over the years that have now resulted in a perfect storm for us.

For the past 10 years, we have needed a top player to bail us out constantly. It was Fabregas and RVP, then it was Alexis and Ozil and now it's Auba. Even in RVP's record season, top 4 came down to the very last day; it could have been Newcastle in CL if we hadn't squeaked past West Brom 3-2.

We've whittled down our midfield to the point where we now have no playmakers in the team. Ozil has 2 assists, and yet Auba is somehow still in the running for Golden Boot.

We're no longer profitable as club; we couldn't buy a top attacker if we wanted to. Next year's front line will be Martinelli, Pepe and Saka at best. All of whom are massively inexperienced, and will face the same issue Auba does; no playmakers in the team.

Auba's the only one who has scored consistently at every team he's been at, and has a fantastic fitness record as well.

Wenger could get away with having a smattering of average-to-decent players alongside 1-2 excellent players for many years, because there were only 3-4 teams in the league worth a damn, meaning we always had a strong chance of CL football.

Guardiola
Klopp
Mourinho/Pochettino
Ancelotti

At no point was Arsenal ever competing against all 4 of these top managers and making CL. He could barely make it when City entered the picture.

What's Arteta, who has effectively zero experience, going to do when it's all those guys plus whoever Newcastle's new owners give £200m to splash?

You're looking at Arsenal's historical ~70-80 goals per season without taking into account that the only competition back in those days were Mourinho and SAF.



You seem to be suggesting that if Auba goes, then our goals will dry up.
That has not happened - even when we lost Henry.

This comment you made :
"Ozil has 2 assists, and yet Auba is somehow still in the running for Golden Boot. "
Are you suggesting that Auba is making all his own goals and could win the golden boot despite his team mates???
Aubamayang has not made all his own goals just because Ozil has only assisted 2. In fact, I'd say he makes less goals for himself than a player like Henry did in the past... so would seem to suggest that the team is doing a better job - or at least as well - of creating chances from midfield and out wide.
Guess what... shock horror.. other players are assisting... and we're still scoring the same amount of goals.

So tell me again why losing Auba means the goals will dry up?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Ach » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:25 pm

aniym wrote:
Ach wrote:Bigger must keep than RVP?


RVP - 8 years at Arsenal, mostly spent in a hospital
PEA - 2.5 years at Arsenal, never injured, 4.5 years at Dortmund, never injured

He's our only hope for a trophy next season. We've missed out on silverware many times because of injuries to key players.

Yeah him being barely injured is a miracle considering other players we've had.

Need to keep him no matter the cost
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby swipe right » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:56 pm

Giroud has agreed a two year deal with Inter. Got to hand it to him. He gets around.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:57 pm

Probably more importantly when looking at our actual performances with and without Auba in the last 3 seasons, we win about the same number of points per game on average.
It's slightly better with Auba in the team - about 2 points per season. That's probably about normal for any first choice striker in the league.
i.e. it's pretty much irrelevant whether he plays or not as to how many points we end up with.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby gooney » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:02 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Probably more importantly when looking at our actual performances with and without Auba in the last 3 seasons, we win about the same number of points per game on average.
It's slightly better with Auba in the team - about 2 points per season. That's probably about normal for any first choice striker in the league.
i.e. it's pretty much irrelevant whether he plays or not as to how many points we end up with.

stats vs our own eyes. The main reason we fell off as a club is because we became stats obsessed and decided to buy players based on stats who turned out to be crap. stats is there to just add more info. But should never be the main reason you make footballing decision. Without Auba we would be in relegation this season. i dont care what anyone says.....thats the truth. When you get dominated in most games you play and you get bailed out by your striker. Then its clear where you are. even teams like Bournemouth dominates us
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:07 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
aniym wrote::dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

It's not about total goals. It's the cumulative impact of numerous factors over the years that have now resulted in a perfect storm for us.

For the past 10 years, we have needed a top player to bail us out constantly. It was Fabregas and RVP, then it was Alexis and Ozil and now it's Auba. Even in RVP's record season, top 4 came down to the very last day; it could have been Newcastle in CL if we hadn't squeaked past West Brom 3-2.

We've whittled down our midfield to the point where we now have no playmakers in the team. Ozil has 2 assists, and yet Auba is somehow still in the running for Golden Boot.

We're no longer profitable as club; we couldn't buy a top attacker if we wanted to. Next year's front line will be Martinelli, Pepe and Saka at best. All of whom are massively inexperienced, and will face the same issue Auba does; no playmakers in the team.

Auba's the only one who has scored consistently at every team he's been at, and has a fantastic fitness record as well.

Wenger could get away with having a smattering of average-to-decent players alongside 1-2 excellent players for many years, because there were only 3-4 teams in the league worth a damn, meaning we always had a strong chance of CL football.

Guardiola
Klopp
Mourinho/Pochettino
Ancelotti

At no point was Arsenal ever competing against all 4 of these top managers and making CL. He could barely make it when City entered the picture.

What's Arteta, who has effectively zero experience, going to do when it's all those guys plus whoever Newcastle's new owners give £200m to splash?

You're looking at Arsenal's historical ~70-80 goals per season without taking into account that the only competition back in those days were Mourinho and SAF.



You seem to be suggesting that if Auba goes, then our goals will dry up.
That has not happened - even when we lost Henry.

This comment you made :
"Ozil has 2 assists, and yet Auba is somehow still in the running for Golden Boot. "
Are you suggesting that Auba is making all his own goals and could win the golden boot despite his team mates???
Aubamayang has not made all his own goals just because Ozil has only assisted 2. In fact, I'd say he makes less goals for himself than a player like Henry did in the past... so would seem to suggest that the team is doing a better job - or at least as well - of creating chances from midfield and out wide.
Guess what... shock horror.. other players are assisting... and we're still scoring the same amount of goals.

So tell me again why losing Auba means the goals will dry up?

Very good point Jayram, Auba doesn't create many goals for himself, he is mostly the recipient of a pass that gives him a goal scoring chance. If Auba leaves Martinelli or the new striker brought in to replace him will score the necessary goals.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:11 pm

gooney wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:Probably more importantly when looking at our actual performances with and without Auba in the last 3 seasons, we win about the same number of points per game on average.
It's slightly better with Auba in the team - about 2 points per season. That's probably about normal for any first choice striker in the league.
i.e. it's pretty much irrelevant whether he plays or not as to how many points we end up with.

stats vs our own eyes. The main reason we fell off as a club is because we became stats obsessed and decided to buy players based on stats who turned out to be crap. stats is there to just add more info. But should never be the main reason you make footballing decision. Without Auba we would be in relegation this season. i dont care what anyone says.....thats the truth. When you get dominated in most games you play and you get bailed out by your striker. Then its clear where you are. even teams like Bournemouth dominates us


I think the number of points we win is a little more important than just a stat.
Whether you care what anyone says or not, Auba doesn't make much of a difference to how many points we accumulate.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:20 pm

theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
aniym wrote::dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

It's not about total goals. It's the cumulative impact of numerous factors over the years that have now resulted in a perfect storm for us.

For the past 10 years, we have needed a top player to bail us out constantly. It was Fabregas and RVP, then it was Alexis and Ozil and now it's Auba. Even in RVP's record season, top 4 came down to the very last day; it could have been Newcastle in CL if we hadn't squeaked past West Brom 3-2.

We've whittled down our midfield to the point where we now have no playmakers in the team. Ozil has 2 assists, and yet Auba is somehow still in the running for Golden Boot.

We're no longer profitable as club; we couldn't buy a top attacker if we wanted to. Next year's front line will be Martinelli, Pepe and Saka at best. All of whom are massively inexperienced, and will face the same issue Auba does; no playmakers in the team.

Auba's the only one who has scored consistently at every team he's been at, and has a fantastic fitness record as well.

Wenger could get away with having a smattering of average-to-decent players alongside 1-2 excellent players for many years, because there were only 3-4 teams in the league worth a damn, meaning we always had a strong chance of CL football.

Guardiola
Klopp
Mourinho/Pochettino
Ancelotti

At no point was Arsenal ever competing against all 4 of these top managers and making CL. He could barely make it when City entered the picture.

What's Arteta, who has effectively zero experience, going to do when it's all those guys plus whoever Newcastle's new owners give £200m to splash?

You're looking at Arsenal's historical ~70-80 goals per season without taking into account that the only competition back in those days were Mourinho and SAF.



You seem to be suggesting that if Auba goes, then our goals will dry up.
That has not happened - even when we lost Henry.

This comment you made :
"Ozil has 2 assists, and yet Auba is somehow still in the running for Golden Boot. "
Are you suggesting that Auba is making all his own goals and could win the golden boot despite his team mates???
Aubamayang has not made all his own goals just because Ozil has only assisted 2. In fact, I'd say he makes less goals for himself than a player like Henry did in the past... so would seem to suggest that the team is doing a better job - or at least as well - of creating chances from midfield and out wide.
Guess what... shock horror.. other players are assisting... and we're still scoring the same amount of goals.

So tell me again why losing Auba means the goals will dry up?

Very good point Jayram, Auba doesn't create many goals for himself, he is mostly the recipient of a pass that gives him a goal scoring chance. If Auba leaves Martinelli or the new striker brought in to replace him will score the necessary goals.


Well obviously the striker making a good run contributes to the chance created also - so as long as a replacement to Auba can make the same runs then all is good.
Another point is that over his first season and a half Auba's finishing was abysmal - the worst of any #1 striker we've had in the last 30 years, probably more. He has got a lot better this year, which was badly needed.

Who knows, we may even see an improvement by selling Auba.
We'll only know once he's gone - which can't happen soon enough imo - but those suggesting we're doomed without him are talking nonsense.
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