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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby alexafc12 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:41 pm

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Past years we have also lost a lot of points and arguably CL football due to his horror misses.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby alexafc12 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:45 pm

Also how are those stats calculated ?

If we are winning 4-0 and Auba scores the final goal has he won us 3 points ?

Likewise if he scores the first goal in a match which we end up winning 4-0 has he won us 3 points ?

There is no way 68 out of his 92 goals were the deciding goal (i.e. losing / drawing and he scores the goal to win us 1/3 points).
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:54 pm

There was a feeling for a year or two that Aubemyang was carrying us and that without his goals we’d be in real trouble, perhaps from people watching matches and seeing the importance of his contribution.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:56 pm

alexafc12 wrote:Also how are those stats calculated ?

If we are winning 4-0 and Auba scores the final goal has he won us 3 points ?

Likewise if he scores the first goal in a match which we end up winning 4-0 has he won us 3 points ?

There is no way 68 out of his 92 goals were the deciding goal (i.e. losing / drawing and he scores the goal to win us 1/3 points).


That's the thing - I just checked it out.
These stats are calculated as ANY game we win or draw if he scored - REGARDLESS of when he scored.
For example on his debut he scored when we were 4-0 up against Everton but these stats say he won us 3 points :rofll:
Another example - he equalised against Southampton in a 3-2 win , but Welbeck scored 2 goals and got the winner - it's credited as Auba winning us the 3 points :rofll:

It's as I suspected - fan boys on Twitter posting nonsense.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:58 pm

Salibatelli wrote:There was a feeling for a year or two that Aubemyang was carrying us and that without his goals we’d be in real trouble, perhaps from people watching matches and seeing the importance of his contribution.


Caught out by Twitter :rofll:
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:02 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:There was a feeling for a year or two that Aubemyang was carrying us and that without his goals we’d be in real trouble, perhaps from people watching matches and seeing the importance of his contribution.


Caught out by Twitter :rofll:


Well no there’s nothing to be caught out on, it what people thought.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:03 pm

Salibatelli wrote:There was a feeling for a year or two that Aubemyang was carrying us and that without his goals we’d be in real trouble, perhaps from people watching matches and seeing the importance of his contribution.


It all went to shit when Arteta thought he personally won the FA Cup and started micro-managing every move.

We'd still have been trophyless since the Wenger days without Auba's insane performances that season.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:06 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:There was a feeling for a year or two that Aubemyang was carrying us and that without his goals we’d be in real trouble, perhaps from people watching matches and seeing the importance of his contribution.


Caught out by Twitter :rofll:


Well no there’s nothing to be caught out on, it what people thought.


Auba did well in his first 2.5 seasons. He was good.
Don't think anyone would argue but the stats posted about how many points he 'won' is nonsense.
He also missed games in those first 2.5 seasons and it made barely any difference at all to the results - I calculated the points with and without him and over a season I believe it was about 2 points. If that is carrying us, it's not carrying us very far.
In truth a 22 goals season never really carries a team - it's good but it isn't great.

For the last 18 months he has been bloody awful and that is why we don't miss him at all.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:09 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:There was a feeling for a year or two that Aubemyang was carrying us and that without his goals we’d be in real trouble, perhaps from people watching matches and seeing the importance of his contribution.


Caught out by Twitter :rofll:


Well no there’s nothing to be caught out on, it what people thought.


Auba did well in his first 2.5 seasons. He was good.
Don't think anyone would argue but the stats posted about how many points he 'won' is nonsense.
He also missed games in those first 2.5 seasons and it made barely any difference at all to the results - I calculated the points with and without him and over a season I believe it was about 2 points. If that is carrying us, it's not carrying us very far.
In truth a 22 goals season never really carries a team - it's good but it isn't great.

For the last 18 months he has been bloody awful and that is why we don't miss him at all.


He scored 40% of our goals in 19/20, and kept us in Europe when Emery+Arteta couldn't.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:16 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:There was a feeling for a year or two that Aubemyang was carrying us and that without his goals we’d be in real trouble, perhaps from people watching matches and seeing the importance of his contribution.


Caught out by Twitter :rofll:


Well no there’s nothing to be caught out on, it what people thought.


Auba did well in his first 2.5 seasons. He was good.
Don't think anyone would argue but the stats posted about how many points he 'won' is nonsense.
He also missed games in those first 2.5 seasons and it made barely any difference at all to the results - I calculated the points with and without him and over a season I believe it was about 2 points. If that is carrying us, it's not carrying us very far.
In truth a 22 goals season never really carries a team - it's good but it isn't great.

For the last 18 months he has been bloody awful and that is why we don't miss him at all.


He scored 40% of our goals in 19/20, and kept us in Europe when Emery+Arteta couldn't.


Did he?
So a striker scoring goals does it on his own and any time he missed chances it doesn't count against him for losing us points?
Interesting way of looking at football.
He was also in the team that failed to make Europe - was that his fault because he didn't score many goals? Or do we only pretend that one player is responsible for the successes but not the failures? :dontknow:

Auba by himself won us absolutely zilch
He was for 2.5 years a good striker and contributed to the team - a short time frame really - but then went shit.
That's it.

In the 5 seasons Aubameyang has been with us - from the moment we signed him until today - we have averaged 1.65 points per game
When Aubameyang has played we have averaged 1.63 points per game.

When he has been missing - 20 games - we have averaged 1.75 points per game.

That means on average when we play Auba we're 0.12 points per game WORSE, which over a season means he actually costs us nearly 5 points.

Now to be fair to him, he missed so few games over the first 2.5 years, the above calculations are heavily influenced by the last 18 months of utter shite from him - so it's unfair to characterise his entire tenure here as being a net negative for the team.

But we can look at the 2017/18 season when he came half way through.
We played 25 games without him and achieved 42 points - an average of 1.68 points per game
We played 13 games with him and achieved 21 points - an average of 1.61 points per game.

Again - even in the year he joined and looked really good the team was more proficient before he even arrived. That's because we had Sanchez who was simply better than Auba in every way.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby DiamondGooner » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:07 pm

If he doesn't get sold there is no reason not to have him and Martinelli as our LW's.

We need two anyway especially as we're in Europe next year hopefully.

The only change that needs to happen in a 4-2-3-1 we're stuck with is don't play him as the CF.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:10 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:If he doesn't get sold there is no reason not to have him and Martinelli as our LW's.

We need two anyway especially as we're in Europe next year hopefully.

The only change that needs to happen in a 4-2-3-1 we're stuck with is don't play him as the CF.


As a back up to Martinelli he could actually add value, I would hope, coming on fresh.
But that value is not a good trade off if he is disruptive.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Goonerred » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:11 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:If he doesn't get sold there is no reason not to have him and Martinelli as our LW's.

We need two anyway especially as we're in Europe next year hopefully.

The only change that needs to happen in a 4-2-3-1 we're stuck with is don't play him as the CF.

If we don't sell him, he has to play.
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:13 pm

Goonerred wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:If he doesn't get sold there is no reason not to have him and Martinelli as our LW's.

We need two anyway especially as we're in Europe next year hopefully.

The only change that needs to happen in a 4-2-3-1 we're stuck with is don't play him as the CF.

If we don't sell him, he has to play.



You mean start?
Which position?
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Re: Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (14)

Postby Santi » Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:04 am

jayramfootball wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:Also how are those stats calculated ?

If we are winning 4-0 and Auba scores the final goal has he won us 3 points ?

Likewise if he scores the first goal in a match which we end up winning 4-0 has he won us 3 points ?

There is no way 68 out of his 92 goals were the deciding goal (i.e. losing / drawing and he scores the goal to win us 1/3 points).


That's the thing - I just checked it out.
These stats are calculated as ANY game we win or draw if he scored - REGARDLESS of when he scored.
For example on his debut he scored when we were 4-0 up against Everton but these stats say he won us 3 points :rofll:
Another example - he equalised against Southampton in a 3-2 win , but Welbeck scored 2 goals and got the winner - it's credited as Auba winning us the 3 points :rofll:

It's as I suspected - fan boys on Twitter posting nonsense.


Knew it had to be bullshit but couldnt be arsed to argue it.

Can remember auba scoring as many winners for Burnley as i can for us.
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