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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:58 am

Angelito wrote:Lacazette: Arsenal should forget titles for a few seasons & aim for top four

The France international forward is hoping to compete for silverware in the near future, with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang also chasing down trophies

Alexandre Lacazette admits Arsenal are still “a few seasons” away from challenging for “the biggest titles” having ended 2018-19 without silverware.

The Spaniard also failed to deliver Champions League qualification after a fifth-place finish in the Premier League.

Lacazette is aware of the need for Arsenal to improve from this point, but accepts that may not be a quick process.

The France international told FourFourTwo : "A club like Arsenal has to be playing in the Champions League every season.

"We will start to think to think about winning the biggest titles in a few seasons, but first we need to make sure we are in the Champions League consistently again."

Lacazette’s striker partner, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, added: "That has to be the main target of every Arsenal season.

"You come back to training and that's what everyone is thinking about.

"We're hungry to hear that song once again. It's time. We have the quality to do it, so we have to make sure we will do it."

Arsenal believe they have the right coach to guide them forward, with Emery considered to have delivered cause for optimism after inheriting the reins from Arsene Wenger.

Lacazette sees signs of encouragement, saying of the 2018-19 campaign: "It's been positive. We had a new coach with a new approach, and I think I've played well - better than in the previous season.

"And we've played bigger, more important games."

Aubameyang, who recorded 22 goals in the Premier League last season to claim a share of the Golden Boot with Liverpool duo Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah , said: "It's so important to win something.

"This is a great club, which has a very long history of winning important trophies, so it's time we won something big again.

"There was the FA Cup a couple of years ago, but now we have to aspire to more. We have a strong mentality to always move forward after any setback."

If Laca has said this under Wengers management, outers would’ve gone on and on about how Wengers loser mindset is affecting the squad and we are arsenal we always play to win and yadayadayada
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:17 am

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Angelito wrote:Lacazette: Arsenal should forget titles for a few seasons & aim for top four

The France international forward is hoping to compete for silverware in the near future, with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang also chasing down trophies

Alexandre Lacazette admits Arsenal are still “a few seasons” away from challenging for “the biggest titles” having ended 2018-19 without silverware.

The Spaniard also failed to deliver Champions League qualification after a fifth-place finish in the Premier League.

Lacazette is aware of the need for Arsenal to improve from this point, but accepts that may not be a quick process.

The France international told FourFourTwo : "A club like Arsenal has to be playing in the Champions League every season.

"We will start to think to think about winning the biggest titles in a few seasons, but first we need to make sure we are in the Champions League consistently again."

Lacazette’s striker partner, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, added: "That has to be the main target of every Arsenal season.

"You come back to training and that's what everyone is thinking about.

"We're hungry to hear that song once again. It's time. We have the quality to do it, so we have to make sure we will do it."

Arsenal believe they have the right coach to guide them forward, with Emery considered to have delivered cause for optimism after inheriting the reins from Arsene Wenger.

Lacazette sees signs of encouragement, saying of the 2018-19 campaign: "It's been positive. We had a new coach with a new approach, and I think I've played well - better than in the previous season.

"And we've played bigger, more important games."

Aubameyang, who recorded 22 goals in the Premier League last season to claim a share of the Golden Boot with Liverpool duo Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah , said: "It's so important to win something.

"This is a great club, which has a very long history of winning important trophies, so it's time we won something big again.

"There was the FA Cup a couple of years ago, but now we have to aspire to more. We have a strong mentality to always move forward after any setback."

If Laca has said this under Wengers management, outers would’ve gone on and on about how Wengers loser mindset is affecting the squad and we are arsenal we always play to win and yadayadayada


Of course! Because under Wenger we'd have been waiting since 2005 for him to deliver another title winning team. During the early years of the Emirates when we were building around players like Fabregas, Walcott, RVP...this sort of statement was acceptable because the fans knew we were building a new team with young players. We had more patience. We can't be singing the same song over 10 years later under the same manager.

We're rebuilding again because of the mess Wenger left and it's a massive job. The fans won't have the same sort of patience for Emery, Raul, Edu, etc in the same way Wenger experienced. The negativity surrounding the start of the season is still looming. Before news of Pepe surfaced, the focus and criticism was heavily on the owners. From the open letter to the Kroenke's and petition, to the reaction to Raul, Vinai and Edu's Q&A session. A new signing have helped shift the focus away from that area but you can see how that negative energy is still there in the way Mustafi and Xhaka have been received by fans.

Do you want the same sort of negativity we had under Wenger for the new regime? I don't get where you coming from with the comment.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:28 am

Angelito wrote:Lacazette: Arsenal should forget titles for a few seasons & aim for top four

The France international forward is hoping to compete for silverware in the near future, with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang also chasing down trophies

Alexandre Lacazette admits Arsenal are still “a few seasons” away from challenging for “the biggest titles” having ended 2018-19 without silverware.

The Spaniard also failed to deliver Champions League qualification after a fifth-place finish in the Premier League.

Lacazette is aware of the need for Arsenal to improve from this point, but accepts that may not be a quick process.

The France international told FourFourTwo : "A club like Arsenal has to be playing in the Champions League every season.

"We will start to think to think about winning the biggest titles in a few seasons, but first we need to make sure we are in the Champions League consistently again."

Lacazette’s striker partner, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, added: "That has to be the main target of every Arsenal season.

"You come back to training and that's what everyone is thinking about.

"We're hungry to hear that song once again. It's time. We have the quality to do it, so we have to make sure we will do it."

Arsenal believe they have the right coach to guide them forward, with Emery considered to have delivered cause for optimism after inheriting the reins from Arsene Wenger.

Lacazette sees signs of encouragement, saying of the 2018-19 campaign: "It's been positive. We had a new coach with a new approach, and I think I've played well - better than in the previous season.

"And we've played bigger, more important games."

Aubameyang, who recorded 22 goals in the Premier League last season to claim a share of the Golden Boot with Liverpool duo Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah , said: "It's so important to win something.

"This is a great club, which has a very long history of winning important trophies, so it's time we won something big again.

"There was the FA Cup a couple of years ago, but now we have to aspire to more. We have a strong mentality to always move forward after any setback."


A harsh reality ....

Just imagine Sanchez or Giroud saying that in 2015/16 they'd have been hounded out the club, even though it would already have been true .... just reflects how far we've sunk and how long the climb back will be ... Laca's right hate to say it but 4th place or a EL win would be a fantastic season
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:44 am

Power n Glory wrote:
swipe right wrote:
Angelito wrote:Lacazette: Arsenal should forget titles for a few seasons & aim for top four

The France international forward is hoping to compete for silverware in the near future, with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang also chasing down trophies

Alexandre Lacazette admits Arsenal are still “a few seasons” away from challenging for “the biggest titles” having ended 2018-19 without silverware.

The Spaniard also failed to deliver Champions League qualification after a fifth-place finish in the Premier League.

Lacazette is aware of the need for Arsenal to improve from this point, but accepts that may not be a quick process.

The France international told FourFourTwo : "A club like Arsenal has to be playing in the Champions League every season.

"We will start to think to think about winning the biggest titles in a few seasons, but first we need to make sure we are in the Champions League consistently again."

Lacazette’s striker partner, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, added: "That has to be the main target of every Arsenal season.

"You come back to training and that's what everyone is thinking about.

"We're hungry to hear that song once again. It's time. We have the quality to do it, so we have to make sure we will do it."

Arsenal believe they have the right coach to guide them forward, with Emery considered to have delivered cause for optimism after inheriting the reins from Arsene Wenger.

Lacazette sees signs of encouragement, saying of the 2018-19 campaign: "It's been positive. We had a new coach with a new approach, and I think I've played well - better than in the previous season.

"And we've played bigger, more important games."

Aubameyang, who recorded 22 goals in the Premier League last season to claim a share of the Golden Boot with Liverpool duo Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah , said: "It's so important to win something.

"This is a great club, which has a very long history of winning important trophies, so it's time we won something big again.

"There was the FA Cup a couple of years ago, but now we have to aspire to more. We have a strong mentality to always move forward after any setback."

If Laca has said this under Wengers management, outers would’ve gone on and on about how Wengers loser mindset is affecting the squad and we are arsenal we always play to win and yadayadayada


Of course! Because under Wenger we'd have been waiting since 2005 for him to deliver another title winning team. During the early years of the Emirates when we were building around players like Fabregas, Walcott, RVP...this sort of statement was acceptable because the fans knew we were building a new team with young players. We had more patience. We can't be singing the same song over 10 years later under the same manager.

We're rebuilding again because of the mess Wenger left and it's a massive job. The fans won't have the same sort of patience for Emery, Raul, Edu, etc in the same way Wenger experienced. The negativity surrounding the start of the season is still looming. Before news of Pepe surfaced, the focus and criticism was heavily on the owners. From the open letter to the Kroenke's and petition, to the reaction to Raul, Vinai and Edu's Q&A session. A new signing have helped shift the focus away from that area but you can see how that negative energy is still there in the way Mustafi and Xhaka have been received by fans.

Do you want the same sort of negativity we had under Wenger for the new regime? I don't get where you coming from with the comment.

The fck you on about? This is our best squad in 15 years.
Strikers: Laca, Auba, Pepe
Mids: Ceballos, Ozil, Mkhiy, Xhaka, Torreira, Guendozi
Defense: is a little bit weak relative to the top clubs but Sokratis, Bellerin and potentially Tierney are all good players
Keeper: Leno

Ffs... how can we not be going for a title challenge and sitting around pining for top four? Wenger was getting top four with Chamakh, Bendtner and Almunia.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:01 pm

swipe right wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
swipe right wrote:
Angelito wrote:Lacazette: Arsenal should forget titles for a few seasons & aim for top four

The France international forward is hoping to compete for silverware in the near future, with Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang also chasing down trophies

Alexandre Lacazette admits Arsenal are still “a few seasons” away from challenging for “the biggest titles” having ended 2018-19 without silverware.

The Spaniard also failed to deliver Champions League qualification after a fifth-place finish in the Premier League.

Lacazette is aware of the need for Arsenal to improve from this point, but accepts that may not be a quick process.

The France international told FourFourTwo : "A club like Arsenal has to be playing in the Champions League every season.

"We will start to think to think about winning the biggest titles in a few seasons, but first we need to make sure we are in the Champions League consistently again."

Lacazette’s striker partner, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, added: "That has to be the main target of every Arsenal season.

"You come back to training and that's what everyone is thinking about.

"We're hungry to hear that song once again. It's time. We have the quality to do it, so we have to make sure we will do it."

Arsenal believe they have the right coach to guide them forward, with Emery considered to have delivered cause for optimism after inheriting the reins from Arsene Wenger.

Lacazette sees signs of encouragement, saying of the 2018-19 campaign: "It's been positive. We had a new coach with a new approach, and I think I've played well - better than in the previous season.

"And we've played bigger, more important games."

Aubameyang, who recorded 22 goals in the Premier League last season to claim a share of the Golden Boot with Liverpool duo Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah , said: "It's so important to win something.

"This is a great club, which has a very long history of winning important trophies, so it's time we won something big again.

"There was the FA Cup a couple of years ago, but now we have to aspire to more. We have a strong mentality to always move forward after any setback."

If Laca has said this under Wengers management, outers would’ve gone on and on about how Wengers loser mindset is affecting the squad and we are arsenal we always play to win and yadayadayada


Of course! Because under Wenger we'd have been waiting since 2005 for him to deliver another title winning team. During the early years of the Emirates when we were building around players like Fabregas, Walcott, RVP...this sort of statement was acceptable because the fans knew we were building a new team with young players. We had more patience. We can't be singing the same song over 10 years later under the same manager.

We're rebuilding again because of the mess Wenger left and it's a massive job. The fans won't have the same sort of patience for Emery, Raul, Edu, etc in the same way Wenger experienced. The negativity surrounding the start of the season is still looming. Before news of Pepe surfaced, the focus and criticism was heavily on the owners. From the open letter to the Kroenke's and petition, to the reaction to Raul, Vinai and Edu's Q&A session. A new signing have helped shift the focus away from that area but you can see how that negative energy is still there in the way Mustafi and Xhaka have been received by fans.

Do you want the same sort of negativity we had under Wenger for the new regime? I don't get where you coming from with the comment.

The fck you on about? This is our best squad in 15 years.
Strikers: Laca, Auba, Pepe
Mids: Ceballos, Ozil, Mkhiy, Xhaka, Torreira, Guendozi
Defense: is a little bit weak relative to the top clubs but Sokratis, Bellerin and potentially Tierney are all good players
Keeper: Leno

Ffs... how can we not be going for a title challenge and sitting around pining for top four? Wenger was getting top four with Chamakh, Bendtner and Almunia.


We’re not there yet to compete with Liverpool or Man City. We should get Top 4 this season because Utd and Chelsea are weaker and think Spurs will unravel this season.

But in the years where we had poor players like Chamakh getting us into the top 4, there weren’t 6 teams capable of a Champions League spot. Times change. We don’t have a manager capable of winning a title with this current crop, even if on paper it looks good. Wenger wouldn’t be able to do it either, hence why he was shown the exit.

What point are you trying to make here?
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:34 pm

swipe right wrote:The fck you on about? This is our best squad in 15 years.
Strikers: Laca, Auba, Pepe
Mids: Ceballos, Ozil, Mkhiy, Xhaka, Torreira, Guendozi
Defense: is a little bit weak relative to the top clubs but Sokratis, Bellerin and potentially Tierney are all good players
Keeper: Leno

Ffs... how can we not be going for a title challenge and sitting around pining for top four? Wenger was getting top four with Chamakh, Bendtner and Almunia.


Agree and disagree Swippey ...

This may indeed be our best squad in 15 years however back then we only had Utd to worry about ... now we have City and Liverpool with better squads and Spurs, Utd and Chelsea with arguably as good squads ... if you remember we didn't have a single player ranked in the 'team of the year' last year.

It's not that we haven't got a good squad we have, it's just that it's no better and arguably worse than five of our rivals ...
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby StLGooner » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:36 pm

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swipe right wrote:The fck you on about? This is our best squad in 15 years.
Strikers: Laca, Auba, Pepe
Mids: Ceballos, Ozil, Mkhiy, Xhaka, Torreira, Guendozi
Defense: is a little bit weak relative to the top clubs but Sokratis, Bellerin and potentially Tierney are all good players
Keeper: Leno

Ffs... how can we not be going for a title challenge and sitting around pining for top four? Wenger was getting top four with Chamakh, Bendtner and Almunia.


Agree and disagree Swippey ...

This may indeed be our best squad in 15 years however back then we only had Utd to worry about ... now we have City and Liverpool with better squads and Spurs, Utd and Chelsea with arguably as good squads ... if you remember we didn't have a single player ranked in the 'team of the year' last year.

It's not that we haven't got a good squad we have, it's just that it's no better and arguably worse than five of our rivals ...



Yep, everyone else has gotten better too, there's more competition now days.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:41 pm

What????? Are you seriously telling me Chelsea under Mou or United under Fergie were easier to deal with than City and Liverpool today???? There have always been no more than two teams ahead of us and that continues today. United and Chelsea are shit today. We should be cruising to fourth with this squad and pushing for as far as top of the table.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby StLGooner » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:47 pm

swipe right wrote:What????? Are you seriously telling me Chelsea under Mou or United under Fergie were easier to deal with than City and Liverpool today???? There have always been no more than two teams ahead of us and that continues today. United and Chelsea are shit today. We should be cruising to fourth with this squad and pushing for as far as top of the table.



I don't think our squad is as good as you think it is. That's a whole different topic though.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby ag6789 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:12 pm

Defense is terrible. Don't know if all the defenders are rubbish or its the coach, who has no clue. I'm confident, we'll score a plenty, but we'll let in a good number as well.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:48 pm

Our defense isn’t great that’s without doubt. But why did we spend 30 mil on a teenager and then loan him back? What’s the logic? That we’ll throw this season and Saliba will ride in next season and take the reigns like a finished van Dijk? Absolute madness.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:07 pm

swipe right wrote:What????? Are you seriously telling me Chelsea under Mou or United under Fergie were easier to deal with than City and Liverpool today???? There have always been no more than two teams ahead of us and that continues today. United and Chelsea are shit today. We should be cruising to fourth with this squad and pushing for as far as top of the table.


Of course they were ... come on it's not that hard to understand ...

Fifteen years ago first Arsenal + Utd and then Chelsea could put out the reserves and win 80% of their league games, indeed from '98 to '11 the top two places were filled by Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea a staggering 26 times out of 28 it was total domination ... in fact over 14 seasons only four different teams managed to gain a top two spot ...

Compare that to now, in just the last four seasons seven different sides have finished in the top two spots ... it's vastly more competitive

This season if we lose just one or two key players pretty much any team in the league will have the ability to beat us, that simply wasn't true fifteen years ago.

Whilst losing a couple of players really hurts us the same is not true of City, Liverpool or if they get their new signings even Spurs. For us to get top four will require a huge effort, very few injuries, and some pretty good luck ...

Chelsea and Utd are not shit, so don't kid yourself ... they both had terrible last seasons and yet one still finished above us and beat us in a cup final, the other sadly just has shitloads of money ...

We won't get a clear picture of where we are until the window closes, let's see where we stand then
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:26 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:What????? Are you seriously telling me Chelsea under Mou or United under Fergie were easier to deal with than City and Liverpool today???? There have always been no more than two teams ahead of us and that continues today. United and Chelsea are shit today. We should be cruising to fourth with this squad and pushing for as far as top of the table.


Of course they were ... come on it's not that hard to understand ...

Fifteen years ago first Arsenal + Utd and then Chelsea could put out the reserves and win 80% of their league games, indeed from '98 to '11 the top two places were filled by Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea a staggering 26 times out of 28 it was total domination ... in fact over 14 seasons only four different teams managed to gain a top two spot ...

Compare that to now, in just the last four seasons seven different sides have finished in the top two spots ... it's vastly more competitive

This season if we lose just one or two key players pretty much any team in the league will have the ability to beat us, that simply wasn't true fifteen years ago.

Whilst losing a couple of players really hurts us the same is not true of City, Liverpool or if they get their new signings even Spurs. For us to get top four will require a huge effort, very few injuries, and some pretty good luck ...

Chelsea and Utd are not shit, so don't kid yourself ... they both had terrible last seasons and yet one still finished above us and beat us in a cup final, the other sadly just has shitloads of money ...

We won't get a clear picture of where we are until the window closes, let's see where we stand then

This is absolute hogwash. Outside of Chelsea and United who were formidable you had the hoof ball merchants like Stoke, Brum etc. muscling points off top teams which you don’t see any more. And Chelsea and United are shit this season. Their starting strikers are Giroud and Rashford and their managers are Lampard and Ole for fck sake. We should be cruising into top four at this rate.
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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby mel4 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:54 pm

With the non existent defense we have and the liability of Xhaka, it feels like playing 3 men down every game. I wonder how such a team will cruise into the top 4


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Re: Alexandre Lacazette (9)

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:23 pm

mel4 wrote:With the non existent defense we have and the liability of Xhaka, it feels like playing 3 men down every game. I wonder how such a team will cruise into the top 4

Why do you even have to play Xhaka when you have Ozil, Mkhiy, Ceballos, Guendozi, Torreira and also Willock? We’ve never had so many quality midfielders.
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