elkanofan wrote:theHotHead wrote:Elko, nah its not that deep bro. A few things to think about, the guy is a regular national team footballer who has scored at a rate of a goal every 2 games at international level. That is the defacto rate of a "good" striker in anyone's book. So this bullying the Portuguese League or whatever argument cuts no ice, clearly Gyokeres is not a Championship level striker as people have made out.
That Pukki bredda hit the Prem with Norwich after banging in goals in the Championship, his strike rate for Finland 3.x per game, which is the strike rate of an average striker at international level. Point is, you don't score 1 in 2 at international level if you are not good
Ollie Watkins, 3.x goals per game for England.
Now, you might argue that the Primera Liga is easy, but look at the goals he scored for Sporting, you can see what his game is, you bought him on the strength of his exploits for club and country. He is doing what he knows best, in Sporting the team knew how to play to his strengths and they did - hence why he scored so many goals.
Tippy tappy football is bollox, it doesn't suit the team, we have gone backwards since we started playing it. To hear nonsense from people who now claim Jesus and Havertz are the chosen ones is hilarious. Been there, done that, won f**k all.
So what hes scored a few goals in qualifiers for Sweden, not even the EUROS or World Cup. Qualifiers vs mostly again 4th, 5th rate teams. Every goal he's score vs a decent team hes running into open space infront of him on the counter. You just undermining yourself saying this. This does not prove he is world class. It actually just proves my point he's a very good striker. But he's very basic and flawed right now if we are talking about the highest level.
I think he's better than Championship level, i wont give up on him yet. I'm not even saying like others hes a dud. It's a case where i knew this poor form he's shown so far was a real possibility due to only proving himself vs substandard opposition. I see why, you have to open your eyes and take off your rose tinted specticles. He isnt that good yet, he's been overhyped becyse football has been in the dark ages for so long now a guy of his basic quality can kill it in Portugal.
This so called tippy tappy football has us 6 points clear top of the EPL, Top of the UCL conceading just 1 goal and still in all the cups. But we are still moaning. It's like we want to go back to the Wenger days drawing 4-4 and getting mashed up in big games 3-0 or something.
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Why do people make these tired arguments, they are totally flawed.
So what hes scored a few goals in qualifiers for Sweden, not even the EUROS or World Cup. Qualifiers vs mostly again 4th, 5th rate teams.
They are the same 4th and 5th rate teams EVERY nation plays against, Haaland plays them, Isak also plays them, its a level playing field. So-called better striker than him should have a field day then, against these teams. The same silly argument was made about the Chances Created stat suiting Ozil and making him look better, the same bloody metric applied in exactly the same way to every player in the league. Its a nonsense argument. If it was so easy to get a goal every other game at international level, most players would have done it !
I never once said the player is world class, my argument is and has always been, you don't score the number of goals he has scored for Sporting and Sweden if a) you have poor technique and b) you don't know how to score goals. Its clear this is true, so for me its a case of replicating the environment he needs to tap into his obvious goal-scoring talent. Nothing outrageous said there. He is basic, but thats just what we need, we need meat and 2 veg, we don't need redcurrant and blackcurrant jus, with a petit pois reduction, sitting on a bed of shiitake mushrooms, cooked in a truffle and pear sauce.
I don't have rose tinted anything, you would have to be a dimwit to think we are playing to his strengths, hell, all the pundits are saying the same thing 0- that we need to find a way to get the ball to Gyokeres i.e. create more. We have seen with our own eyes how creatively shit we are, every match day thread its the same comments. So while we don't play to his strengths I don't care how bad he is, I won't criticise because thats plain dumb.
This so called tippy tappy football has us 6 points clear top of the EPL, Top of the UCL conceading just 1 goal and still in all the cups
The only reason we are top is because we have the best squad in a one horse race - turned into a 2 horse race because we went through a period of utter shitness which allowed Villa and City to close the gap. I am under no illusion that we are top due to our magnificent brand of football LOL. The same brand of football half the forum seem to fall asleep watching. Again, check the match day threads if you think I am lying.
