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Re: Yoof Development

Postby firfi » Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:14 pm

Issue with youngsters is they cannot play any defensive role when they're young due to every error costing the team too much and from that PoV the experienced players that might not be much better will get the slot ,because they don't make as many mistake defensively when every single game is extremely important to get 3 points.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby theHotHead » Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:45 am

I see why you say that but then it begs the question, if what you say is true, how have we got any defenders at all because all players start off young?

The fact of the matter is, if you are good enough you are old enough, age won't come into it. Defenders, young defenders get game time. John Terry was young when he burst into the Chelsea team, so was Charragher at Chelsea. If Arteta wasn't a div Saliba would've been in the team aged .

But I do kinda agree with you, its easier to throw young offensive players into the fray than young defenders.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:26 am

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firfi wrote:Honestly no idea why there is so much conversation about some no name youngsters.The only time the manager can be critized is when the youngster went somewhere else and proved that he was good enough for that level then and only then the manager has failed and only if the options in front of him were average quality players.
Why are u talking about Medley and Azeez when they turned out to be shit.

Wenger might've brought the promising younsters and turned them into stars ,but RvP and Fabregas were highly rated for sure ,but there are lots of youngsters each year that are highly rated and turn out to be nothing.


I would say a youngster we lose has to turn into a top talent at a big club to have any regrets.
If they are not pulling up trees at the 4 or 5 top clubs in Europe then they are no loss to us.
The problem with youth at big clubs is that they typically don;t get a chance unless they are truly outstanding - the likes of Saka, Martinelli, ESr and Saliba have all made it because of one simple reason - they ARE good enough to be in a team at the top table in Europe and challenging for league titles, but these players don't just spring up every year in the modern era.
When they do it is somewhat of a massive story because it is not the norm.
'Giving youngsters a chance' just because they are young is not an option - they also have to be better or ready to challenge senior players for positions.
A manager must put out his best team to win each football match. Clubs like Arsenal don't experiment anymore.

Jay that makes no sense.

So what you are saying is the young players are only worth their while if they become top talents, but thats nonsense because we have plenty of sub standard players playing for us, so if we can have sub standard experienced players why do the kids need to be top level?

If a young player is better than the experienced players we have no that in itself makes them worth their while. We should not be giving mediocrity game time just because they are experienced.


Read the first paragraph again.
I am talking about youngsters we lose and what would constitute a regret at that loss.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby swipe right » Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:40 pm

Develop kids or buy proven talent. Don’t get taken for a ride again by your pals at city. That would be my advice.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby firfi » Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:01 pm

theHotHead wrote:I see why you say that but then it begs the question, if what you say is true, how have we got any defenders at all because all players start off young?

The fact of the matter is, if you are good enough you are old enough, age won't come into it. Defenders, young defenders get game time. John Terry was young when he burst into the Chelsea team, so was Charragher at Chelsea. If Arteta wasn't a div Saliba would've been in the team aged .

But I do kinda agree with you, its easier to throw young offensive players into the fray than young defenders.



Different eras and those teams Chelsea and Liverpool we're not title challengers when they made debut and burst onto the scene that makes the biggest of differences.

They keep the young defenders for practice for the attacking players pretty much.You can't have academy with only attacking players etc and who knows maybe once every 20-30 years one gem will pop up.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby TedLasso » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:47 pm

Nwaneri proving, so far, that he’s deserving of integration into the first team. Looks excellent.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:05 pm

TedLasso wrote:Nwaneri proving, so far, that he’s deserving of integration into the first team. Looks excellent.


He looked decent , but to be honest, far from 1st team level.
Could make the squad this year, though.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby firfi » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:17 pm

Looks better than Nelson btw.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:30 pm

firfi wrote:Looks better than Nelson btw.


Stupid statement.

He did OK in a friendly game and clearly has some talent.
Comparisons on so little football - for both players - is just silly.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby firfi » Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:38 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
firfi wrote:Looks better than Nelson btw.


Stupid statement.

He did OK in a friendly game and clearly has some talent.
Comparisons on so little football - for both players - is just silly.


Yes ,but the fact that he does bring roughtly the same quality as Nelson whos 24/25* this year shows that he has to get more minutes this season off the bench to give him some much needed real game time.
Obviously hes not ready to start for Arsenal , but it's better for him to get the game time over Nelson at this point.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:11 pm

firfi wrote:
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firfi wrote:Looks better than Nelson btw.


Stupid statement.

He did OK in a friendly game and clearly has some talent.
Comparisons on so little football - for both players - is just silly.


Yes ,but the fact that he does bring roughtly the same quality as Nelson whos 24/25* this year shows that he has to get more minutes this season off the bench to give him some much needed real game time.
Obviously hes not ready to start for Arsenal , but it's better for him to get the game time over Nelson at this point.


Nelson has performed admirably with his limited game time.
There is no comparison yet to Nwaneri, who has to establish himself as a squad player first.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:23 pm

Nelson scored 1goal in 23 appearances last season. Not really worth the 100k.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby TedLasso » Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:49 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Nwaneri proving, so far, that he’s deserving of integration into the first team. Looks excellent.


He looked decent , but to be honest, far from 1st team level.
Could make the squad this year, though.


Not that far if we're being honest. He's outplayed Nelson and Vieira so far.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:07 pm

TedLasso wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Nwaneri proving, so far, that he’s deserving of integration into the first team. Looks excellent.


He looked decent , but to be honest, far from 1st team level.
Could make the squad this year, though.


Not that far if we're being honest. He's outplayed Nelson and Vieira so far.


Vieira has been better.
But it's pre season and more about gaining fitness in readiness for the season.
Drawing any conclusions on pre seasons games isn't worth it.

I think you are forgetting the kid is 16 yrs old.
It takes a phenom to break into a first team at that age. How often does it happen?
Dont get carried away and leave the kid to develop.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:12 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Nelson scored 1goal in 23 appearances last season. Not really worth the 100k.


:lol: 23 games.

He got 4 G+A in just 731 minutes of football all season.
It's 10 G+A in 1321 minutes over the last 2 seasons.
Admirable as a back up rarely used.
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