Yoof Development

[Losmeister]

Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.

The post-Saka classes have been awful. Only Biereth and Okonkwo did anything on their loan spells. Azeez, Patino, and BNC have tanked their own values.

But, the same people demanding and expecting championship seasons also want us to bleed these League 2 level players? This is how you know they are unserious people.

I think AFC has done a pretty fine job for the most part as far as keeping and selling.

We just got a good fee for ESR and are getting a mature Spanish Euro champ for less than that fee (probably)

Unserious people all on my lengthy ignore list.

[jayramfootball]

Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.

Your boy Teta doesnt care for young players. So he wont.

No one in the top team set up should give a flying f*** about young players unless they are good enough to be playing in one of the top sides in the world. The youth set up is one of stack em up and see what comes of it - 95-99% of our youth set up will end up in normal jobs having failed to make the grade as professional footballers.

The focus on youth development is just something Arteta haters have scrounged up because most of their attack lines have fallen by the wayside.

Any young player good enough will get a chance in the first team, just like the ones that are in our first team.

He didn’t seem to have a problem giving Lokonga, Tavares and Runnarson a chance. Who told him they were any good?

So he does care for young players? In your previous post you said he does not.

Post 1: ''Teta doesn't care about young players''
Post 2: ''Teta gives chance to young players A, B, C, and D''

Manager gives chance to players A, B, C, and D but not to players E, F, G, and H. You mean like, every manager who has ever managed a football team? Come on, now.

Are acquired or more expensive players more likely to be given the nod? Yes. Is it always fair on the players? No, but it's hardly an Arsenal-exclusive occurrence. Is there room for improvement when it comes to the integration of young players? Yes. Is there room to improve loan relationships with other clubs? Even more so.

But fs, some of those who in the not-so-distant past accused him of being unable to manage proven players, that he only wants to work with kids because they're more inclinced to bow to his ''dicator-type management'', are now accusing him of not giving chances to young players and that he's only interested in the finished article.

Let's be honest here: no matter what he says or does, it's met with the same recycled objurgations. Smh

Oh come on, Zenith. You dont need to play word games with me. You know exactly the point I was making.

I dont think anyone ever knows what point you are making

[theHotHead]

No, Im gonna defend Swipey here, he has made a very good point that needs to be acknowledged.

Its hypocrisy and actually makes no sense! Why spend good bloody money on untried/untested players that have done nothing, they have proved nothing, ahead of our own academy players?

[ag6789]

Quality academy players were kept and persisted with. But it was the team building period, so, large number of players were recruited, some, for automatic first team choices, like, Jesus, Zinchenko, etc, and there were also the likes of Tavares, Lokonga etc, who would develop with the team. So, basically, it was a combination of , the tried and tested, incoming established players, players from elsewhere with potential and academy players. Some survived the process/ competition, others couldn't and were loaned out or sold or let go.
Usual team building process.

[VCC]

Quality academy players were kept and persisted with. But it was the team building period, so, large number of players were recruited, some, for automatic first team choices, like, Jesus, Zinchenko, etc, and there were also the likes of Tavares, Lokonga etc, who would develop with the team. So, basically, it was a combination of , the tried and tested, incoming established players, players from elsewhere with potential and academy players. Some survived the process/ competition, others couldn't and were loaned out or sold or let go.
Usual team building process.

Zinney has been a fkn blast cost us more games than won.
And as far as I am concerned Jesus is played continuously out of possition better as a winger not a good CF imo

[jayramfootball]

No, Im gonna defend Swipey here, he has made a very good point that needs to be acknowledged.

Its hypocrisy and actually makes no sense! Why spend good bloody money on untried/untested players that have done nothing, they have proved nothing, ahead of our own academy players?

Because you think the ones you are bringing in are better. Duh.

[jayramfootball]

Quality academy players were kept and persisted with. But it was the team building period, so, large number of players were recruited, some, for automatic first team choices, like, Jesus, Zinchenko, etc, and there were also the likes of Tavares, Lokonga etc, who would develop with the team. So, basically, it was a combination of , the tried and tested, incoming established players, players from elsewhere with potential and academy players. Some survived the process/ competition, others couldn't and were loaned out or sold or let go.
Usual team building process.

Zinney has been a fkn blast cost us more games than won.
And as far as I am concerned Jesus is played continuously out of possition better as a winger not a good CF imo

Zinny has been very good and one of the main reasons we were able to make the step up to title challengers,
It was he who facilitated the tactical shift to the inverted full back.

[ag6789]

Remember,the arrival of Jesus and Zinny catapulted us to 2nd From 5th. You can imagine how tough it becomes at the top of the league. Teams improve by leaps from 10th to 5th-6th but there on it is becomes a battle and grind because very little separates the top 3-4 teams usually ( the Leicester year is an exception, once in a blue moon event).

[VCC]

Difference between good managers and great managers is being able to make those calls of when a asset has reached its ceiling,
Zinney and Jesus took the team higher than it was I won't question that,
But they are now just a tool to stay there to go further they are not what's needed we need better and they are bit part players
Pep was right

[Losmeister]

Quality academy players were kept and persisted with. But it was the team building period, so, large number of players were recruited, some, for automatic first team choices, like, Jesus, Zinchenko, etc, and there were also the likes of Tavares, Lokonga etc, who would develop with the team. So, basically, it was a combination of , the tried and tested, incoming established players, players from elsewhere with potential and academy players. Some survived the process/ competition, others couldn't and were loaned out or sold or let go.
Usual team building process.

[swipe right]

No, Im gonna defend Swipey here, he has made a very good point that needs to be acknowledged.

Its hypocrisy and actually makes no sense! Why spend good bloody money on untried/untested players that have done nothing, they have proved nothing, ahead of our own academy players?

Poor members of the cult can’t look beyond their demigod. In their view he can do no wrong. We are in his fourth season and still rebuilding but they don’t see any cause for alarm. Nothing must be questioned. The fact that he thinks a pubber from Portugal is better than a player sharing the same training ground with our first team makes perfect sense to them.

[firfi]

Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.

The post-Saka classes have been awful. Only Biereth and Okonkwo did anything on their loan spells. Azeez, Patino, and BNC have tanked their own values.

But, the same people demanding and expecting championship seasons also want us to bleed these League 2 level players? This is how you know they are unserious people.

Any particular reason you ignored Willock and Balogun, who brought in £60m despite not getting a chance here?

Also, Hutchinson, Cozier-Duberry and Obi-Martin have signed for PL clubs, so I'd hold my judgement.

Hutchinson has 1 sub app.Obi-Martin won't get any mins in the next 18 months probably while Cozier-Duberry has not played a minute or professional football?
Whats the logic here to metion them?

[theHotHead]

When successive academy players are citing no path to the first team as the reason they are leaving, someone has f***ked things up majorly.

And don't give me this crap about they weren't good enough, the reports state Arsenal were fighting to keep them !

[jayramfootball]

When successive academy players are citing no path to the first team as the reason they are leaving, someone has f***ked things up majorly.

And don't give me this crap about they weren't good enough, the reports state Arsenal were fighting to keep them !

Which of these players are good enough for the first team , HH?
Trying to keep them as prospects is not at all the same as saying they are good enough to help a title challenge for our club.
For a 16-18yr old to be demanding first team guarantees they would have to be a rare talent - a once in a generation talent.
Generally speaking I am very happy these players have left - if they are not prepared to let their career develop and work for a 1st team shot, then they don't have the character to make it anyway.

It's simple - get rid of any player immediately when they ask for 1st team guarantees, unless they are as good as Messi.

This whole yoof team whining is becoming really comical.
Any player good enough and with the right atitude will make it.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.

The post-Saka classes have been awful. Only Biereth and Okonkwo did anything on their loan spells. Azeez, Patino, and BNC have tanked their own values.

But, the same people demanding and expecting championship seasons also want us to bleed these League 2 level players? This is how you know they are unserious people.

Any particular reason you ignored Willock and Balogun, who brought in £60m despite not getting a chance here?

Also, Hutchinson, Cozier-Duberry and Obi-Martin have signed for PL clubs, so I'd hold my judgement.

Hutchinson has 1 sub app.Obi-Martin won't get any mins in the next 18 months probably while Cozier-Duberry has not played a minute or professional football?
Whats the logic here to metion them?

Ben White and Ramsdale both had 1 season in the PL before Arteta paid £75m for them.

We have a habit of not giving players under our own roof a chance, and paying over the odds for somebody else's academy product.