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Re: Yoof Development

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:49 pm

Arteta and Edu have no interest in the academy. Per should get on with his life. Expect him to take over the German NT.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:04 pm

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firfi wrote:Why is there an argument even about him.Hes close to 25 hes never gonna be good enough to play for Arsenal.Pretty much everybody can come in and score from time to time hes direct player and he made some moments from the bench ,but overall not good enough.When u watch him play full games in LE etc he wasnt good for the club.

This !

Same goes for Nketiah, enough already, get rid and bring in some proper quality.


'Proper quality' as in as good as the players in our first team are not coming to play the amount of minutes these two players get.
They are at the edge of the squad and as such represent high quality for players that far down the roster.
That's the part many don't seem to understand.
There still seems to be this crazy notion that we're going to have 25 stars in our squad all as good as each other.
Never heard anything so ridiculous.



Hes just shit and thats the truth.In any game he has played since the start of it in LE he has looked not good enough for the LE competition.He had few okay cameos as sub ,because hes direct ,but the minutes will be better spend on Nwanieri.
Safe to say he wasted his chance at top level football time to give the chance to the youngsters.


Not the truth at all.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby Gordon Bennit » Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:26 pm

If we are to trust Arteta (and the last 2 years, while trophy-less have been brilliant) then surely we should trust him in regard to a player he wouldn't select as a starter for several years??

The new contract seems odd, if you aren't going to select someone as a starter for several years but maybe we should trust? As in, trust Nwaneri will be better and best of luck to this guy who got a payrise but was never good enough to start?
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby TedLasso » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:53 pm

Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby swipe right » Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:47 pm

TedLasso wrote:Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.

Your boy Teta doesnt care for young players. So he wont.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby firfi » Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:13 pm

Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:33 pm

swipe right wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.

Your boy Teta doesnt care for young players. So he wont.


No one in the top team set up should give a flying f*** about young players unless they are good enough to be playing in one of the top sides in the world. The youth set up is one of stack em up and see what comes of it - 95-99% of our youth set up will end up in normal jobs having failed to make the grade as professional footballers.

The focus on youth development is just something Arteta haters have scrounged up because most of their attack lines have fallen by the wayside.

Any young player good enough will get a chance in the first team, just like the ones that are in our first team.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby TedLasso » Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:02 pm

firfi wrote:Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.


The post-Saka classes have been awful. Only Biereth and Okonkwo did anything on their loan spells. Azeez, Patino, and BNC have tanked their own values.

But, the same people demanding and expecting championship seasons also want us to bleed these League 2 level players? This is how you know they are unserious people.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby swipe right » Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:54 am

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firfi wrote:Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.


The post-Saka classes have been awful. Only Biereth and Okonkwo did anything on their loan spells. Azeez, Patino, and BNC have tanked their own values.

But, the same people demanding and expecting championship seasons also want us to bleed these League 2 level players? This is how you know they are unserious people.

Why not if the result is the same I.e. not winning anything.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby swipe right » Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:03 am

jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.

Your boy Teta doesnt care for young players. So he wont.


No one in the top team set up should give a flying f*** about young players unless they are good enough to be playing in one of the top sides in the world. The youth set up is one of stack em up and see what comes of it - 95-99% of our youth set up will end up in normal jobs having failed to make the grade as professional footballers.

The focus on youth development is just something Arteta haters have scrounged up because most of their attack lines have fallen by the wayside.

Any young player good enough will get a chance in the first team, just like the ones that are in our first team.

He didn’t seem to have a problem giving Lokonga, Tavares and Runnarson a chance. Who told him they were any good?
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby theHotHead » Fri Aug 02, 2024 7:15 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
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TedLasso wrote:Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.

Your boy Teta doesnt care for young players. So he wont.


No one in the top team set up should give a flying f*** about young players unless they are good enough to be playing in one of the top sides in the world. The youth set up is one of stack em up and see what comes of it - 95-99% of our youth set up will end up in normal jobs having failed to make the grade as professional footballers.

The focus on youth development is just something Arteta haters have scrounged up because most of their attack lines have fallen by the wayside.

Any young player good enough will get a chance in the first team, just like the ones that are in our first team.

He didn’t seem to have a problem giving Lokonga, Tavares and Runnarson a chance. Who told him they were any good?

Swipey makes a very good point here!
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby Zenith » Fri Aug 02, 2024 7:52 am

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.

Your boy Teta doesnt care for young players. So he wont.


No one in the top team set up should give a flying f*** about young players unless they are good enough to be playing in one of the top sides in the world. The youth set up is one of stack em up and see what comes of it - 95-99% of our youth set up will end up in normal jobs having failed to make the grade as professional footballers.

The focus on youth development is just something Arteta haters have scrounged up because most of their attack lines have fallen by the wayside.

Any young player good enough will get a chance in the first team, just like the ones that are in our first team.

He didn’t seem to have a problem giving Lokonga, Tavares and Runnarson a chance. Who told him they were any good?

So he does care for young players? In your previous post you said he does not.

    Post 1: ''Teta doesn't care about young players''
    Post 2: ''Teta gives chance to young players A, B, C, and D''

Manager gives chance to players A, B, C, and D but not to players E, F, G, and H. You mean like, every manager who has ever managed a football team? Come on, now. :lol:

Are acquired or more expensive players more likely to be given the nod? Yes. Is it always fair on the players? No, but it's hardly an Arsenal-exclusive occurrence. Is there room for improvement when it comes to the integration of young players? Yes. Is there room to improve loan relationships with other clubs? Even more so.

But fs, some of those who in the not-so-distant past accused him of being unable to manage proven players, that he only wants to work with kids because they're more inclinced to bow to his ''dicator-type management'', are now accusing him of not giving chances to young players and that he's only interested in the finished article.

Let's be honest here: no matter what he says or does, it's met with the same recycled objurgations. Smh
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby swipe right » Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:51 pm

Zenith wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
TedLasso wrote:Based on preseason, Nwaneri and MLS look every bit the part of first teamers. I was really impressed by Nwaneri’s composure and recognition of space.

He should begin the year with the first team.

Your boy Teta doesnt care for young players. So he wont.


No one in the top team set up should give a flying f*** about young players unless they are good enough to be playing in one of the top sides in the world. The youth set up is one of stack em up and see what comes of it - 95-99% of our youth set up will end up in normal jobs having failed to make the grade as professional footballers.

The focus on youth development is just something Arteta haters have scrounged up because most of their attack lines have fallen by the wayside.

Any young player good enough will get a chance in the first team, just like the ones that are in our first team.

He didn’t seem to have a problem giving Lokonga, Tavares and Runnarson a chance. Who told him they were any good?

So he does care for young players? In your previous post you said he does not.

    Post 1: ''Teta doesn't care about young players''
    Post 2: ''Teta gives chance to young players A, B, C, and D''

Manager gives chance to players A, B, C, and D but not to players E, F, G, and H. You mean like, every manager who has ever managed a football team? Come on, now. :lol:

Are acquired or more expensive players more likely to be given the nod? Yes. Is it always fair on the players? No, but it's hardly an Arsenal-exclusive occurrence. Is there room for improvement when it comes to the integration of young players? Yes. Is there room to improve loan relationships with other clubs? Even more so.

But fs, some of those who in the not-so-distant past accused him of being unable to manage proven players, that he only wants to work with kids because they're more inclinced to bow to his ''dicator-type management'', are now accusing him of not giving chances to young players and that he's only interested in the finished article.

Let's be honest here: no matter what he says or does, it's met with the same recycled objurgations. Smh

Oh come on, Zenith. You dont need to play word games with me. You know exactly the point I was making. Posters here seem to think he should only select players for the first team who are ready and dont need much development thereby excluding most of our academy talent. However, Arteta has been buying players without any experience from outside and failing to integrate any of them in from day one. He bought Lokonga based on his mate Kompany needing the money at Anderlecht and swindling us. Even Benfica fans were shocked when we bought Tavarez and happy to see him go. Runnarson is another story entirely. Meanwhile we are told players like Saliba need a transition and academy players like ESR, Nwaneri etc arent ready or dont fit his so called system. The hypocrisy to defend this man is incredible.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:41 pm

TedLasso wrote:
firfi wrote:Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.


The post-Saka classes have been awful. Only Biereth and Okonkwo did anything on their loan spells. Azeez, Patino, and BNC have tanked their own values.

But, the same people demanding and expecting championship seasons also want us to bleed these League 2 level players? This is how you know they are unserious people.


Any particular reason you ignored Willock and Balogun, who brought in £60m despite not getting a chance here?

Also, Hutchinson, Cozier-Duberry and Obi-Martin have signed for PL clubs, so I'd hold my judgement.
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Re: Yoof Development

Postby TedLasso » Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:25 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
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firfi wrote:Maybe he didn't play young players ,because we didn't have any good enough till now? Hard for swipe right to figure that one i see.


The post-Saka classes have been awful. Only Biereth and Okonkwo did anything on their loan spells. Azeez, Patino, and BNC have tanked their own values.

But, the same people demanding and expecting championship seasons also want us to bleed these League 2 level players? This is how you know they are unserious people.


Any particular reason you ignored Willock and Balogun, who brought in £60m despite not getting a chance here?

Also, Hutchinson, Cozier-Duberry and Obi-Martin have signed for PL clubs, so I'd hold my judgement.


Balogun completely slipped my mind, that was a great deal for the club. Willock is older than Saka, he was in a preceding class of academy players, and got plenty of chances for Arsenal. He played in 29 matches as a 19 year old.

Hutchinson had a good season in the Championship but of course, not on our books. No idea where he would have gotten minutes at Arsenal and I think he knew that. Better to take a big raise at Chelsea before making his move to a smaller club. Admittedly, he played his hand perfectly. Seems like Obi-Martin is trying the same play but he hasn't done it above U18 yet so I'll wait and see. Same is true for ACD to an extent, though he got minutes at the top of the academy.
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