WENGER OUT

[gooney]

The club is at the cross-roads. There is serious risk of an irreparable damage to the profile and reputation of the club. This simply cannot go on. It is not just the lack of results on the pitch it is the way the club is being mismanaged, fans being alienated and the is serious risk of being left behind which is the biggest concern.

In my view the damage has already been done. We're already damaged beyond repair, and the only way is down.

Correct. The writing was on the wall as early as 2010., and I would suggest even earlier if you cared to really look. Wenger has always underachieved, never managing back to back titles or a champions league in his golden years. Thos golden years were entirely down to the players that were there before he joined. Those that Wenger brought in like Vieira could learn from people who understood football, like Bergkamp, Adams, Keown, Parlour. As soon as the link was broken to players who joined before Wenger did, the rot set in. The club changed. He systematically destroyed the club from top to bottom and the damage is so bad that we are en route to being a Leeds, Nottm Forest, Villa. All because of Wenger.

It's why it really doesn't matter if he stays or goes now. Once Alexis and Ozil leave, we have NO top quality players left, a losers mentality, horrible tactics, a lack of basic football understanding, no motivation and still a huge wage bill. No top player will want to play for Arsenal.

To destroy a club with Arsenal's history and tradition took some doing, but Wenger did it.

Wenger is an incompetent manager for sure. But people forget the people who has watched wenger do all this damage will still be there. Our hope is the next manager isnt just a manager, but someone who has to build up the whole club and carry us like early day wenger or Fergie. Its way too much to ask from any manager imo

[UFGN]

He's used our tradition as a cloak to hide under, to justify his staying in a job when elsewhere he would have been sacked.....

While all the time abusing and destroying the greatest and most important traditions of our club..... success, pride, innovation, and notoriety among our competitors.

[gooney]

He's used our tradition as a cloak to hide under, to justify his staying in a job when elsewhere he would have been sacked.....

While all the time abusing and destroying the greatest and most important traditions of our club..... success, pride, innovation, and notoriety among our competitors.

wenger hasnt done anything most managers wouldnt have done. No manager sacks himself. The people running have not only given him full control. They watched him get away with anything. Our own chairman said in fan meeting when wenger has plan we follow, when he doesnt we keep quiet. Thats the type of people running our club. The club has always depended on one mans sanity too much. And he has lost it ans we are lost. we put ourselves in this position and deserve everything we get

[Doctor]

The club is at the cross-roads. There is serious risk of an irreparable damage to the profile and reputation of the club. This simply cannot go on. It is not just the lack of results on the pitch it is the way the club is being mismanaged, fans being alienated and the is serious risk of being left behind which is the biggest concern.

In my view the damage has already been done. We're already damaged beyond repair, and the only way is down.

Correct. The writing was on the wall as early as 2010., and I would suggest even earlier if you cared to really look. Wenger has always underachieved, never managing back to back titles or a champions league in his golden years. Thos golden years were entirely down to the players that were there before he joined. Those that Wenger brought in like Vieira could learn from people who understood football, like Bergkamp, Adams, Keown, Parlour. As soon as the link was broken to players who joined before Wenger did, the rot set in. The club changed. He systematically destroyed the club from top to bottom and the damage is so bad that we are en route to being a Leeds, Nottm Forest, Villa. All because of Wenger.

It's why it really doesn't matter if he stays or goes now. Once Alexis and Ozil leave, we have NO top quality players left, a losers mentality, horrible tactics, a lack of basic football understanding, no motivation and still a huge wage bill. No top player will want to play for Arsenal.

To destroy a club with Arsenal's history and tradition took some doing, but Wenger did it.

He's lost his spark.
But don't push it, it's just lying. Overmars, Pires, Henry, Viera, Anelka, Petit, Ljundberg, Sol, Gilberto, RVP, Hleb are just a few of his signings.
Times have changed and it's near impossible to find hidden gems that other PL clubs haven't heard of.
Unfortunately Wenger didn't change with it.

[elkanofan]

meh,



Ancelotti is coming in the summer

[indy23]

We aren't big enough for Carlos. From Ronaldo and ribery to welbeck ... He will change his mind

[Özilfan]

meh,

Ancelotti is coming in the summer

Bayern fans don't hold a high opinion of Ancelotti and the players were not impressed with him in comparison to Guardiola and Heynckes. He is a bit Wenger-like and very hands off in training.

[Angelito]

While all the time abusing and destroying the greatest and most important traditions of our club..... success, pride, innovation, and notoriety among our competitors.

I read it somewhere, and I agree, that Wenger doesn't like to address our past or Arsenal before Wenger. He tends not to pay heed there.

Not surprising where all the arrogance comes from. In his eyes, he built Arsenal from the scratch and nobody is going tell him otherwise.

[greengoonerie]

The problem is not wenger alone. The club is rotten from the core. Years of bad management has lead to this. We went from not winning the league, to not finishing outside top 3 to just make the top 4 and now to unlikely make the top 4 in a while. The club has been steadily going backwards for years and every summer we made more bad decisions than good. Sudenly people think replacing sanchez and we are good. At best we get a player of sanchez level and still finish outside the top 4. The owner, management and the fans are all to blame and none of them deserve success. Arsenal fans are simply sh1t fans

This this this this.

The only caveat is that I don't blame all the fans Gooney. A number of Arsenal fans (And that includes you and I ) have warned about this situation occurring for years but were ridiculed for the most part.

Now that all fans are aware of the situation at Arsenal (and we can expect a number of years similar to mid/late 70s when Arsenal were very poor) we can hopefully rebuild.

the difference this time is that Arsenal have money - loads of it - 5th wealthiest club in the world.

A new owner, decent management team and good manager could make Arsenal compete again.

[gooney]

The problem is not wenger alone. The club is rotten from the core. Years of bad management has lead to this. We went from not winning the league, to not finishing outside top 3 to just make the top 4 and now to unlikely make the top 4 in a while. The club has been steadily going backwards for years and every summer we made more bad decisions than good. Sudenly people think replacing sanchez and we are good. At best we get a player of sanchez level and still finish outside the top 4. The owner, management and the fans are all to blame and none of them deserve success. Arsenal fans are simply sh1t fans

This this this this.

The only caveat is that I don't blame all the fans Gooney. A number of Arsenal fans (And that includes you and I ) have warned about this situation occurring for years but were ridiculed for the most part.

Now that all fans are aware of the situation at Arsenal (and we can expect a number of years similar to mid/late 70s when Arsenal were very poor) we can hopefully rebuild.

the difference this time is that Arsenal have money - loads of it - 5th wealthiest club in the world.

A new owner, decent management team and good manager could make Arsenal compete again.

we have been minority for long time and been mocked and called all sorts of names. Its only last few months we have become majority imo. But even now....if we protest we will be shut down by our own fans imo. Many has given up on the club after we have been minority for long time. Not only is sanchez leaving, ozil has 6 months on his deadl, so has wilshere, ramsey has 18 months on his deal and we will be in same position next summer. Our fans majority of them has just watched this happen....so yeah they deserve what they get

[DiamondGooner]

meh,

Ancelotti is coming in the summer

Bayern fans don't hold a high opinion of Ancelotti

........... they've never been managed by Arsene Wenger obviously.

[Zenith]

meh,

Ancelotti is coming in the summer

Bayern fans don't hold a high opinion of Ancelotti and the players were not impressed with him in comparison to Guardiola and Heynckes. He is a bit Wenger-like and very hands off in training.

The most un-Italian Italian manager in professional football, arguably.

[jayramfootball]

The club is at the cross-roads. There is serious risk of an irreparable damage to the profile and reputation of the club. This simply cannot go on. It is not just the lack of results on the pitch it is the way the club is being mismanaged, fans being alienated and the is serious risk of being left behind which is the biggest concern.

In my view the damage has already been done. We're already damaged beyond repair, and the only way is down.

Correct. The writing was on the wall as early as 2010., and I would suggest even earlier if you cared to really look. Wenger has always underachieved, never managing back to back titles or a champions league in his golden years. Thos golden years were entirely down to the players that were there before he joined. Those that Wenger brought in like Vieira could learn from people who understood football, like Bergkamp, Adams, Keown, Parlour. As soon as the link was broken to players who joined before Wenger did, the rot set in. The club changed. He systematically destroyed the club from top to bottom and the damage is so bad that we are en route to being a Leeds, Nottm Forest, Villa. All because of Wenger.

It's why it really doesn't matter if he stays or goes now. Once Alexis and Ozil leave, we have NO top quality players left, a losers mentality, horrible tactics, a lack of basic football understanding, no motivation and still a huge wage bill. No top player will want to play for Arsenal.

To destroy a club with Arsenal's history and tradition took some doing, but Wenger did it.

He's lost his spark.
But don't push it, it's just lying. Overmars, Pires, Henry, Viera, Anelka, Petit, Ljundberg, Sol, Gilberto, RVP, Hleb are just a few of his signings.
Times have changed and it's near impossible to find hidden gems that other PL clubs haven't heard of.
Unfortunately Wenger didn't change with it.

When Wenger brought those players in they walked into a club with players like Bergkamp, Parlour, Adams, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn, Wright all there. Players who knew the league and were motivated to win. They knew what it took. It was around 2006 that the last of the pre-Wenger players left the club. We now know for sure that Wenger cannot motivate players and doesn't really understand tactics. He did get some luck with the golden generation of French players and was able to bring them in, but Wenger simply has no talent as a manager. I suspect that in those early days it was people like Keown who drove the club forward. Keown himself even gave some insight into this, when we were losing to Liverpool in a big title run in game, at halftime Wenger had just given up and Keown had to take the team talk.

[tufnelltoughie]

A doesn't KB anymore. lol

[Mudge]

When Wenger brought those players in they walked into a club with players like Bergkamp, Parlour, Adams, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn, Wright all there. Players who knew the league and were motivated to win. They knew what it took. It was around 2006 that the last of the pre-Wenger players left the club. We now know for sure that Wenger cannot motivate players and doesn't really understand tactics. He did get some luck with the golden generation of French players and was able to bring them in, but Wenger simply has no talent as a manager. I suspect that in those early days it was people like Keown who drove the club forward. Keown himself even gave some insight into this, when we were losing to Liverpool in a big title run in game, at halftime Wenger had just given up and Keown had to take the team talk.

I've been saying this for years, that era of players self-managed. Some don't want to believe, they buy into the narrative that Wenger built Arsenal and is the ultimate football genius. Fools. And yes, he was also lucky to have access to a generation of great French players.


I'm watching the Liverpool v City match, and it's light-years away from where we are. I remember when people actually talked down the idea of Klopp coming here, where are they now? This fanbase can be so stupid and delusional. Every time a name was put forward, they'd insist that it's not an improvement on Wenger.

We are in serious trouble.